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« Reply #45 on: February 29, 2012, 08:59:56 AM »
Between Penguin and BoilerDown, I can't decide who is the weirder...  :O

Oh yeah btw:

My bad, I meant to say 11.  Oops!

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(11*30)+6=336  :huh
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« Reply #46 on: February 29, 2012, 10:44:19 AM »
9 months of 30 days each, and December picks up the extra 5-6

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My bad, I meant to say 11.  Oops!

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11 months of 30 days each, and December picks up the extra 5-6

Do the math...
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« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2012, 06:46:16 PM »
Kelvin and centigrade are the same system, but with a different zero point. Centigrade has an important place in the metric system because the system is all about ease of use and that all the units relate closely to each other. The metric system revolves around the properties of water, perhaps the most used and essential compound in nature. Water freezes at 0C and boils at 100C (at sea level). One liter (volume) of water weighs one kilogram (weight). One cubic meter (length) equals 1000 liters, and 1000 kilos or one metric ton of water. It's much more intuitive to say that the temperature today is 40C than 313 Kelvin.

I know that Kelvin and Centigrade have the same scale, but 'metric' temperature usually refers to Celsius.  It's not more intuitive to say 40 than 313.  They are both equally arbitrary, and as a side note, how is it 40C in February?  Global warming is a harsh mistress.

-Artificial straight line borders are god awful and an eyesore. If you don't see the beauty of organic borders then you're pretty much just an awful person.

-Have you ever had to do an online course? They're miserable.

-Any language without irregularity (specifically 'to be' conjugation) is soulless and completely devoid of humanity and emotion. Constructed languages are a stain on the human race.

-The borders we have already are also artificial.  Though some follow rivers, they are mostly the results of piecemeal negotiations and periodic wars with the Native Americans and other groups during the 1500-1950s era.  Straightening them or aligning them with rivers would eliminate this artificial irregularity.  They could also be based on the Global positioning system, so that you could read directly to a map without conversions.

-Really?  Try the Khan Academy.  It gives you math through Calculus CD, and it's taught in a friendly, comfortable way with built-in exercises.  It also teaches physics, chemistry, art history, Python (computer language), and has entertaining videos on the idiosyncrasies of math.

-On what grounds?  Most of a language follows its rules, so why shouldn't the rest of it?  Arrive, arrived; open, opened, go, WENT?  That's not human, that's just weird.  Goed would be just as easy to pronounce, and would eliminate issues for those learning English.  English itself, however, is a poor example of such frustratingly poor grammar.  French has scores of conjugations for every single irregular verb, of which there are scores, too.  What's worse, it has an agency devoted to controlling precisely what is and isn't French (L'Academie Francaise) so it has no justification for having all these irregular conjugations.

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« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2012, 06:59:16 PM »
Actually, Kelvin is the standard metric SI unit for temperature. The reason why everyone uses Celsius is exactly because it is more intuitive. Arbitrary or not everybody knows hot water from cold water. We use it every day (unless you're a bum).
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« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2012, 07:42:57 PM »

-On what grounds?  Most of a language follows its rules, so why shouldn't the rest of it? Arrive, arrived; open, opened, go, WENT?  That's not human, that's just weird.  Goed would be just as easy to pronounce,and would eliminate issues for those learning English.  English itself, however, is a poor example of such frustratingly poor grammar.  French has scores of conjugations for every single irregular verb, of which there are scores, too.  What's worse, it has an agency devoted to controlling precisely what is and isn't French (L'Academie Francaise) so it has no justification for having all these irregular conjugations.

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did you ever read 1984 by George Orwell? That sounds EXACTLY like "newspeak".... your scaring me after that statement....
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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2012, 07:52:14 PM »
did you ever read 1984 by George Orwell? That sounds EXACTLY like "newspeak".... your scaring me after that statement....

I had the same think.
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« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2012, 08:36:19 PM »
Actually, Kelvin is the standard metric SI unit for temperature. The reason why everyone uses Celsius is exactly because it is more intuitive. Arbitrary or not everybody knows hot water from cold water. We use it every day (unless you're a bum).

Yes, but most people don't know that it is.  I didn't know that you knew.

did you ever read 1984 by George Orwell? That sounds EXACTLY like "newspeak".... your scaring me after that statement....

Yes, it was a good book- one of Orwell's most stinging critiques of tyranny.  Having irregular verbs and redundant characters is not an act of defiance- it's irrational.  Who said that the government would do it?  It would most likely be an independent body of English language scholars similar to the Academie Francaise.  Went, goed, the meaning is the same.  The principle of Newspeak was to limit thought by steadily reducing the language to dichotomies, and then finally to a vague, subservient "Yes".  The purpose of my idea is the make English easier to learn for those who speak another language, and to eliminate the annoying discrepancies that run throughout English.  If I had my way, the character set would actually be increased (net) in order to accommodate sounds like ch, th, sh, and others.  There would be no more need for letter combos, so 'the' would be spelled like the pronunciation guide in the dictionary.  There, easy.  There would be no conjugations, so know would be conjugated as:

I know
You know
He/she/it know
We know

There would be no other changes save for Mrs. and Miss becoming Ms. (It's a pet peeve of mine).  The vocabulary would stay rich and varied.  Remember, English has changed quite a bit over the centuries.  It hasn't always been like it is now- just read Dickens or Twain and you'll see the little things that have changed from then to now.  English will continue to change through the centuries- the language that we speak will seem outmoded from the perspective of our grandchildren and forever more.  My proposal will simply keep it readable, unlike Shakespeare's Early Modern English which requires occasional translation in order to be read by those who haven't grown up in the 1600s.

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« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2012, 10:07:46 PM »
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« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2012, 10:27:11 PM »
-The borders we have already are also artificial.  Though some follow rivers, they are mostly the results of piecemeal negotiations and periodic wars with the Native Americans and other groups during the 1500-1950s era.  Straightening them or aligning them with rivers would eliminate this artificial irregularity.  They could also be based on the Global positioning system, so that you could read directly to a map without conversions.

-Really?  Try the Khan Academy.  It gives you math through Calculus CD, and it's taught in a friendly, comfortable way with built-in exercises.  It also teaches physics, chemistry, art history, Python (computer language), and has entertaining videos on the idiosyncrasies of math.

-On what grounds?  Most of a language follows its rules, so why shouldn't the rest of it?  Arrive, arrived; open, opened, go, WENT?  That's not human, that's just weird.  Goed would be just as easy to pronounce, and would eliminate issues for those learning English.  English itself, however, is a poor example of such frustratingly poor grammar.  French has scores of conjugations for every single irregular verb, of which there are scores, too.  What's worse, it has an agency devoted to controlling precisely what is and isn't French (L'Academie Francaise) so it has no justification for having all these irregular conjugations.

-Penguin

First, have you ever used Khan Academy?
Personally, I've used Khan Academy and similar tools as a learning aid in both of my calc courses so far. Online lessons such as those can be quite useful when you need a tiny bit of extra instruction or a different angle on a concept, but the core of the curriculum just has to be done by a real flesh and blood teacher, you can't replace it.
I've also done real math coursework, in a program (Carnegie Online Learning) bought by our highschool to review & drill concepts to improve student performance on Pennsylvania state assessments... Carnegie quickly became a dreaded, hated word in the school and even hundreds of points often fails to motivate students to complete their lessons. Trying to do algebra through a computer interface just sucks. Probably the best part of taking calc II is having a class with no juniors so I don't have to do Carnegie...

As far as borders go, even in the east American borders are pretty boring and arbitrary. But even beyond the obvious aesthetic advantage in organic border shapes, it really doesn't make any sense practically to have borders that ignore topography and cultural division in favor of having silly straight lines that don't really mean anything.

In language, rules are observed, like the laws of nature, not followed. True enough some countries have bureaus for language regulation but they're really quite silly as well, since they change the rules enough (since there really are no true rules) that they tend to confuse people as to what the accepted spelling is at the given time... we had a German exchange student who would always spell things wrong (well kinda) because he'd mix up spelling reformations and stuff like that. It's just not very useful to have a regulatory committee.
The more regular and strictly logical a language becomes, the less soulful and interesting it is. Honestly English is a kind of cool language but it really does lack a lot of things that make others beautiful, beside just the way it sounds, like grammatical gender and, to a large extent, mood. For example many times when talking to a Russian I have him refer to English as a 'robot language', because it's just so... barren, without irregularity or flair.
"English itself, however, is a poor example of such frustratingly poor grammar."
This is the worst. I don't know why so many Americans think this, perhaps because they never have to learn another language, so they assume that the irregularities of English must be unique, but pretty much every opinion I've ever heard or read from someone who speaks multiple languages and doesn't hold English as their mothertongue says that English is the easiest language they've ever learned. It's just not a really complicated language; our conjugation is insanely easy, we have no grammatical gender, etc.
Try reading Esperanto sometime, or even Interlingua or that pan-slavic one (though you probably won't have a very easy time with the latter). Perfect examples of soulless constructed languages, simple to no end (though even they have grammatical gender if I remember correctly), that just don't have any magic to them. When you're reading Esperanto (it's not hard once you pick up some of the basic rules) you don't feel like you're reading a language, there's no mistaking that it's just something some Polish guy came up with because he had too much time on his hands.

did you ever read 1984 by George Orwell? That sounds EXACTLY like "newspeak".... your scaring me after that statement....
I had the same think.
And the body of Orwell's work will be completely overlooked in favor of a sensationalist novel he wrote when it was the cool thing to do for Socialists to make the Soviet Union look as bad as possible
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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2012, 01:10:13 AM »
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10) Science and learning oriented TV shows are permitted only 10 seconds after a commercial break to describe what was going on before the commercial break, and no more than that. If you don't have enough material to make a TV episode without repeating everything repeatedly, you must choose to not make that TV episode.


I disagree with this.  Science and Learning shows are permitted once in a half hour segment to recap the show for 5 seconds.  Twice for a one hour segment.  I'm tired of, after the fourth damn commercial in twenty minutes, hearing how once again you discovered there were glaciers in North America because of the scars they left in Central Park.

All half hour TV shows are only allowed one commercial break of no more than two minutes, two four minute breaks for one hour shows.

It will be illegal to make any TV show for any length of time that constantly puts the viewer in suspense of one single accomplishment or outcome: ie: We found this fascinating shaft in one of the Pyramids and we're sending a robot up it to find out what is in it.  But we didn't actually find anything so we put a 2 hour special on TV filled with useless backstory and immense amounts of filler because... we didn't actually find anything...

That crap needs to be a illegal.




@DVORAK Vs. QWERTY:

I already average about 60-70 WPM with qwerty without really trying to type... for the most part I type faster than I can speak.  When I really push myself I get over 100 WPM.  Back in computers for dummies I managed to score 203 WPM on a test with 98% accuracy...  Why should I have to relearn to type?




All in favor of 24H time.  Although not really in favor of ditching the time zones, I have an awesome watch that lets me set local and zulu times seperately.


Laptops issued in school is a bad idea IMHO.
Reason number 1:  Despite taking a nice long break and going to the cheapest university and gritting my teeth over terrible professors, I have over 14,000 dollars in Student loans... the last thing I want is for schools to issue me a laptop made of toe-jam and charging me another 1,000 dollars for it.  I have a nice laptop, cost me 1,400 dollars.  It is going to last my entire school career and well into the rest of my life, I don't doubt that this laptop will last me for over a decade.  It's going to last that long because I picked and chose every detail of it and compared it to everything on the market at the time.  Like that kind of scrutiny is going to be done for a college that realizes they can order 15,000: 1,000 dollar laptops and charge the students 1,000 dollars for the laptop and 500 additional dollars for the processing and issuance fee. Pff hah yeah they're already scamming me on an enormous amount of things, I don't want another added to the list.

While minesweeper managed to keep me awake in my history classes(lol despite being a history major... but then again the lectures are merely the professor making sure we've read the material and collecting papers so really I just need to be slightly distracted enough not to fall asleep and still be able to engage in any conversation to get the participation points).  I see far too many students playing WoW(Actually saw someone raiding in class, kept passing him notes telling him not to stand in the fire), facebook, a couple here and there watching porn, online chess, etc. etc.  If you can think of a distraction on a laptop during class... I've probably seen it... although I don't think I've ever seen anyone watching 2g1c in class... that'd probably draw the line and get the students behind them to speak up.

And sure, I'm able to take notes like a speed demon; but I'm actually the only student in my classes so far that actually uses their laptop to take notes.  Well okay except for the cute girl who sat next to me in American Lit but she was married.  :cry








I'll have to check out that Khan Academy thingy... my math skills have always sucked, it wasn't until senior year in high school that I actually was able to grasp letters being mixed in with my numbers. :huh

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Re: Little Tweaks
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2012, 08:16:01 AM »
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« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2012, 10:52:10 AM »
Yes, but most people don't know that it is.  I didn't know that you knew.

Yes, it was a good book- one of Orwell's most stinging critiques of tyranny.  Having irregular verbs and redundant characters is not an act of defiance- it's irrational.  Who said that the government would do it?  It would most likely be an independent body of English language scholars similar to the Academie Francaise.  Went, goed, the meaning is the same.  The principle of Newspeak was to limit thought by steadily reducing the language to dichotomies, and then finally to a vague, subservient "Yes".  The purpose of my idea is the make English easier to learn for those who speak another language, and to eliminate the annoying discrepancies that run throughout English.  If I had my way, the character set would actually be increased (net) in order to accommodate sounds like ch, th, sh, and others.  There would be no more need for letter combos, so 'the' would be spelled like the pronunciation guide in the dictionary.  There, easy.  There would be no conjugations, so know would be conjugated as:

I know
You know
He/she/it know
We know

There would be no other changes save for Mrs. and Miss becoming Ms. (It's a pet peeve of mine).  The vocabulary would stay rich and varied.  Remember, English has changed quite a bit over the centuries.  It hasn't always been like it is now- just read Dickens or Twain and you'll see the little things that have changed from then to now.  English will continue to change through the centuries- the language that we speak will seem outmoded from the perspective of our grandchildren and forever more.  My proposal will simply keep it readable, unlike Shakespeare's Early Modern English which requires occasional translation in order to be read by those who haven't grown up in the 1600s.

-Penguin
See, Big Brother in their beginnings probably said the same, "We are just making the language easier for others to learn." before cutting out immigrants as a whole, completely brainwashing the citizen body and ultimately having so much control over the citizens that even though the changed wars throughout the book, when Big Brother said they were at war with one country for the past century (I think it was?) with the one country everyone believed it. Look at Winston (the main character), When we see him holding a piece of currency George Orwell very simply makes a depressing scene. You know whats sad about this? I look at a dollar before I buy my coffee or smokes, and I wish I didn't need my coffee or get those random urges for a cigarette, as I would be 10 bucks richer a day. When we look at our immigration issues, We can see the government making more and more harsh rules for the immigrants coming up from Mexico, but none of us citizens are openly trying to stop this. We are letting the government run our lives over the years, and it isn't a slow transformation. I see a very sad future for those of us in the US in the years to come... I'm only a few years older then you, yes, but with the obvious changes in our society in those couple years it gives me good reason. I want to have my freedoms, not have the government tell me i can't be an EMT, and I have to be a male model.

rant off... I hope you start to see my point  :bhead
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« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2012, 10:38:05 PM »
See, Big Brother in their beginnings probably said the same, "We are just making the language easier for others to learn." before cutting out immigrants as a whole, completely brainwashing the citizen body and ultimately having so much control over the citizens that even though the changed wars throughout the book, when Big Brother said they were at war with one country for the past century (I think it was?) with the one country everyone believed it. Look at Winston (the main character), When we see him holding a piece of currency George Orwell very simply makes a depressing scene. You know whats sad about this? I look at a dollar before I buy my coffee or smokes, and I wish I didn't need my coffee or get those random urges for a cigarette, as I would be 10 bucks richer a day. When we look at our immigration issues, We can see the government making more and more harsh rules for the immigrants coming up from Mexico, but none of us citizens are openly trying to stop this. We are letting the government run our lives over the years, and it isn't a slow transformation. I see a very sad future for those of us in the US in the years to come... I'm only a few years older then you, yes, but with the obvious changes in our society in those couple years it gives me good reason. I want to have my freedoms, not have the government tell me i can't be an EMT, and I have to be a male model.

rant off... I hope you start to see my point  :bhead

What on earth does regulating language have to do with immigration?  You're nostalgic and paranoid.  Big brother died with the USSR.  Read a little history and you'll see how far we've come.  No more slavery, women's rights, minority rights, Braille, SAP (Spanish dubbing), wheelchair ramps, FOIA; the list goes on and on.  Does that make government perfect?  Heck no.  There's corruption, foolishness, and scoundrelry everywhere.  It's always been that way, and it always will be.  Spanish is also one of the US's official languages, and Asians are everywhere and doing well.

As for language itself, I speak Polish, a language with all sorts of grammar.  It's not more 'beautiful' than English because of its gender.  It just makes the language harder to use.  The beauty comes from the poets and authors. 

-Penguin
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« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2012, 11:33:44 PM »
As for language itself, I speak Polish, a language with all sorts of grammar.  It's not more 'beautiful' than English because of its gender.  It just makes the language harder to use.  The beauty comes from the poets and authors. 

Oooh, Polish! Slavic languages are so nice! I've never learned much though unfortunately, Slavic languages are of course far removed and difficult for an Anglophone to learn (though I've always had a bit of a fetish for them). In fact I know precisely one sentence in Polish, 'co to kurwa jest' :). That may not even be proper grammar, either a colloquialism or something intentionally wrong. I have no idea, just something I memorized for some reason...
Also Polish gains you access to Slovio, one of those barren boring constructed languages I mentioned. It's also very ugly looking as for some reason they decided it would be a good idea to use 'x' in place of z as it's used in Polish or h as it's used in English in consonant clusters.

Anyway
"The beauty comes from the poets and authors. "
The poets and authors (especially poets) use completely the idiosyncrasies of language that you see as only tedium to create art, instead of just a string of boring, lifeless words. This is why (good) books never translate completely from one language to the next, it's impossible to take say a Dostoevsky novel and expect the English translation to compare directly to the Russian text. You just can not convey the same feelings the same way between the languages. You definitely cannot convey the same feeling when you take out everything that is used to do so.
There is, quite simply, an art in words that comes from using them in clever ways and taking advantage of the funny quirks in language. That's where every enjoyable poem, book, and song comes from.

The same way poets and authors use language is the same way musicians use music. The more you can deviate from written laws, generally the more enjoyable and pleasing and rewarding feeling- more artistic especially- something gets. This is why Bach gave way to Beethoven, gave way Stravinsky, gave way to... I don't know, Davis, then... It's just great when stuff clashes and still sounds, in some way, pleasing. Same goes for when rules fail in language.
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« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2012, 01:21:39 AM »
Life is good, but man, there are some freakin' annoying parts to it.  So I've titled this thread: "Little Tweaks" so that everyone who's had those moments can add theirs.

-All time is 24-hour UTC (No more timezones, no more A.M. P.M. shenanigans)
-All measurements are metric, but temperatures are in Kelvin (let's get with the times, and no more negative temperatures)
-Tau, a new variable defined as circumference divided by radius, joins math along e, i, and pi (Makes trigonometry easier)
-School starts at 8:00, ends at 15:00 (More sleep)
-All homework, materials, plans, powerpoints, etc., are on the internet (Easier to get back on track after absences, fewer worries)
-Tax day is moved to the first of a month (Why not, it looks nicer on a calendar, and the previous date was just as arbitrary)
-Change US National Anthem to "America the Beautiful" (It makes more sense)
-9 months of 30 days each, and December picks up the extra 5-6 (No more date-guessing shenanigans)
-10 days in a week with three days off in a row (See above)
-Make month names latin numerals (Sounds cooler, and makes more sense)
-Remove irregular verbs/adjectives/nouns from all languages everywhere (Makes more sense)
-Issue all students laptops (on good behavior)
-Redraw state borders to make a grid (It's like that in the West, why not in the East?)
-Rename soccer to football (Get with the rest of the world)
-Rename football to American Rugby (It's pretty much that)
-Get rid of the titles of Mr., Mrs., Miss, and Ms., and just call everyone by their first names
-Change QWERTY to Dvorak as the standard keyboard layout (it's much faster)
-Tiny bit of cartilage in skull coded into everyone's DNA so that nanobots can get in and out via syringe to enable us to work, perform every day tasks, and play games just by thinking. (Not so much a tweak as a technological breakthrough, but it's still awesome!)

EDIT: Explanations in parentheses

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