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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 06:13:47 PM »
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No, global warming is a painful reality.  I don't see any signs of awareness of it slowing down anywhere, in fact, it's just about everywhere- and that's a good sign for the icecaps.  We even go over it in French (albeit the teacher has some errors like thinking that CO2 causes the ozone hole; CFC's do it).
Sorry Penguin, it's not a real. Even though I'm a science enthusiast and a bit of a leftie. I stopped buying into it a long time ago. For one, the Antarctic ice is growing not melting. Not only that the polar ice cap thing is far from conclusive. For another temperatures have cooled since 1998. For another none of the computer models has even predicted the current situation. Then there's the whole issue of carbon trading which is one of the biggest scams in history.

Really my friend it's time to get sceptical. Don't believe that it's only looney right wing, good ole boys who think global warming is BS.

Don't take my word for it. Do your own research. You have a clue already, consider that your French teacher thinks  there's a a connection with the ozone layer. What made him/her think something so stupid. Think for yourself on this one. Forget the the asinine simple minded propaganda on both sides. Clearly you're not stupid, the truth, to use a cliche, is out there.

BTW it's not a left wing conspiracy. No it's worse than that. It's genuine people who believe a fallacy. That's worse in my opinion.

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 06:52:26 PM »
Here's the global temperature index from NASA for the last 220 years.  It shows no signs of 1998 being warmer than today, and NASA is quite the polluter, which eliminates any vested interest arguments. 



The fact that Frenchie was wrong doesn't invalidate the science behind global warming- it just proves that she didn't understand it.  Just like me getting anything less than a 100 on a chemistry exam doesn't invalidate the chemistry, I was just wrong (very small probability of test error).

The polar ice caps are indeed melting, here is another picture from NASA indicating severe melting in the Greenland region:



Here's an article by NASA on the subject of the rate of polar icecaps melting: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/grace20120208.html

These guys don't keep stuff up if it's been proven wrong- science thrives on competition and taking on NASA and winning is too sweet for any scientist to pass up, and that's not even mentioning the zeal for discovery that's at the heart of science.

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 07:27:06 PM »
There'll be no moonbases, no one is going back to the moon except maybe the Chinese and that only for prestige. The money required to build a moonbase would never be recouped no matter how much water or helium or gold that's found.

The value of a lunar base isn't financial its logistical. When the space industry is viable and there is an in-system resources exploiting industry that needs it, the moon is an excellent 'hub'.

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They're might a be Mars mission but only one as it will be ruinously expensive and pointless as no one is ever going to colonise Mars. 

Its  a matter of dimensions. You can bet the same was said of the New World and Australia when it was first discovered.

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Space elevators? C'mon, lets get real here. Pure fantasy.

On the contrary. Its quite real and the only thing that prevents them from being built now is the cost and some material problems. The bulk of the tech already exists to build them.

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We won't be out there colonising the galaxy unless someone come up with a warp drive that n

Albucierre Drive. So far all the physics and math say its possible... apparently we only need find/make an exotic particle to make it work.

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There will be no hypersonic airliners. There is no way something that expensive could be built unless governments get involved and airlines couldn't make any money flying them anyway.

True its not going to be widespread but a niche just like the Concord was.

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There won't be a WW3, there will be regional wars as usual. What's new about that?

I think there will be.. just not in the same scale as WW2. If the middle east flares up and forces from europe, asia, the americas and africa end up fighting between Pakistan and Morrocco it would be considered a world war.

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 07:32:55 PM »
2044, small number of veterans of WWII will still see the 100th anniversary of D-DAY?   :headscratch: 
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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 07:44:15 PM »
2044, small number of veterans of WWII will still see the 100th anniversary of D-DAY?   :headscratch: 
Well yeah, to all the other post and comments. I just think its important to care about the future. Not even that I just think it's interesting, why not. So what if our estimates might be far off for getting a 50mpg car. It's a goal to get toward in life and the future. Some of you might have misunderstood the real meaning of the future. Even if the world ends 2012 I'm still looking forward to what will happen and the accomplishments as a whole that we all make.
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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 07:45:00 PM »
Here's the global temperature index from NASA for the last 220 years.  It shows no signs of 1998 being warmer than today, and NASA is quite the polluter, which eliminates any vested interest arguments. 
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2012 - 1880 = 132 not 220.
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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 07:49:52 PM »
2012 - 1880 = 132 not 220.

nobody ever said NASA was very smart........................ ..
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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 07:54:50 PM »
nobody ever said penguin was very smart........................ ..

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 08:21:14 PM »
Frack, I messed up the math again.  Ah well, triple digit in-my-head subtraction was never my strong suit.  Khan Academy beckons me.  However, it's still 132 years of data, all proving my point.

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2012, 08:33:58 PM »
Revised data being published many places show no significant warming over the past 15 years. The 'Al Gore' of Germany just turned on global warming citing NASAs data. Global warming is a massive political fraud.

Penguin, one note about incentive. The scientific world is driven my money, as we all are. Either they are producing marketable technology or they are in the academic world. With academia there is very little research money to disprove Dr Hansen. Quite the contrary, for the past two plus decades all the incentive is to further the fraud.

Evidence? It's no longer global warming but man made climate change. Used to be mini-ice age,then acid rain, the holes in the ozone layer, then CO2, now here we are.

This is criminal...

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2012, 08:37:11 PM »
And the data shown...roughly 1 degree of change in over a century.the medievil drift was much more then this. In fact, in the history of the earth going back billions of years over 90% of the time earth temps were to high to even snow, let alone have polar caps, which in fact are not shrinking.

Oh I could post some data, scholarship, etc but I'll save everyone the grief. This is fraud!

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2012, 08:39:47 PM »
If the world flooded we could just take the water from earth and put it on the moon or something like that. Anybody agree or got a diffrent opinion?

(This informations from last year might be wrong)Did you know,that a gallon of clean water is worth more then a gallon of oil. Anybody know the real numbers?
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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2012, 08:46:48 PM »
Frack, I messed up the math again.  Ah well, triple digit in-my-head subtraction was never my strong suit.  Khan Academy beckons me.  However, it's still 132 years of data, all proving my point.

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mth you posted just before i did you bastage!!!

actually the only thing this proves is that people are  fanatical about finding bs reasons to cry the sky is falling.......

the earth is how many years old?

it has had how many dramatic climate changes through out its history?

how long has man's industrialization been effecting the ozone?

with just the answers to those few questions you really think that 132 years of temperature history is a reasonable measure to base your theory of the sky is falling upon?

the woe the world is ending idiots are grasping at ridiculously pathetic straws just to create a panic and get people to live their way. if you take 6+billion years of climate history and peak through it you will see that warming and cooling phases are a naturally reoccurring event. just ask the dinosaurs...........

your point is invalid and your proof shows just how empty the thought process supporting it is.
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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2012, 09:04:18 PM »
If you won't present proof then why should I believe you?  That's one degree, and that's not good.  Think of how big Antarctica is.  Now, think about how smooth the temperature gradient becomes with all that surface area.  There are thousands of square miles less than a degree below the melting point- add a degree and bada-bing, bada-bang, you've got melting ice on a scale not seen for centuries.  Now apply that logic to the crop belts, deserts, migration patterns, rivers, lakes, water consumption rates- one degree makes all the difference.  The medieval warm period was tiny and localized.  This is the whole world we're talking about here, from China to Singapore to Berlin to London to the Andes to the Pacific, the world temperature has risen everywhere.  It shows no signs of stopping either- if we don't stop this, we're toast.

Lack of funding for academia causing fraud?  Ridiculous.  Where did the money come from in the first place?  In addition, if you can disprove it, then  a small-time climatologist could perform the same feat before you did.  You have no research, either- all the data point to global warming.  The new name refers to the fact that heating the earth can cause more dangerous weather (tornadoes, hurricanes), which isn't what global warming calls to mind.  The problem was a bad name, not bad research.  If there is only money in applied research, then King Coal would have quickly defeated the theory and scientists everywhere would agree.  They don't.  The controversy isn't there because scientists are too scared or underfunded- the funds are there and the scientists have the courage, like they always have.  Finally, science is not all about money- look at CERN, it has no commercial application whatsoever, and yet billions pour into it.  It's science at its finest.

For the medieval warm period, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_warm_period#cite_note-mann_etal.282009.29-12

It's well cited, so feel free to check the sources.

mth you posted just before i did you bastage!!!

actually the only thing this proves is that people are  fanatical about finding bs reasons to cry the sky is falling.......

the earth is how many years old?

it has had how many dramatic climate changes through out its history?

how long has man's industrialization been effecting the ozone?

with just the answers to those few questions you really think that 132 years of temperature history is a reasonable measure to base your theory of the sky is falling upon?

the woe the world is ending idiots are grasping at ridiculously pathetic straws just to create a panic and get people to live their way. if you take 6+billion years of climate history and peak through it you will see that warming and cooling phases are a naturally reoccurring event. just ask the dinosaurs...........

your point is invalid and your proof shows just how empty the thought process supporting it is.

The earth is approximately 4.3 billion years old by uranium dating, and there have been Ice Ages.  However, until there is a good deal of freezing or desertification, the actual temperature is irrelevant.  It's the speed with which things are changing.  A speed of this magnitude hasn't happened since the Great Dying, and even that took orders of magnitude longer than what we're seeing today.  Now, life has even less time to adapt, and the extinction will be even worse.  It's all about the rate of change.  Lately, we've seen the greatest spike yet, which corresponds to the beginning of the Industrial revolution and the entrance of India and China into the world stage.  The data is there, just look at it!  Where are you getting the idea that scientists the world over have joined together in some conspiracy, though?  That's quite the extraordinary claim and it warrants extraordinary evidence.

Specifically on the Great Dying, it wiped out over half of life on earth.  It took millions of years to recover from it, just like it took tens of thousands of years to recover from the Ice Ages.  Climate change certainly won't end life on earth.  Life will always find a way, but don't expect people to stick around too well when the oceans swallow up the land.  It'd be miserable, even cataclysmic, for changing one thing causes a cascade in that direction.  Take the ice caps- as they melt there is less ice to reflect the sun and they melt faster, leaving less ice and so on.  We need to act soon, before it's too late.

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Re: The Real Future of our World
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 09:33:43 PM »
 Gosh..I'm ignorant..when did last Ice Age end??