Where my KI-43?

[Nathan60]

The Japanese got more kills with the Ki-43 than any other fighter.  Over 5900 Ki-43s were built, making it the second most produced Japanese aircraft with the A6M being the most produced.

If this is correct how can we possibly not have this ac in game?

[tunnelrat]

If this is correct how can we possibly not have this ac in game?

The numbers are correct.

And, agreed.  Arguably, of all the planes that were produced in numbers greater than 5,000 the Ki-43 is the last one on the list that is "needed".

(Although, I would argue that the Il-4 is also "needed"...)

[Nathan60]

well  not only in terms of sheer numbers but in the fact that it was so important to Japan.  How many planes did Japan have that they produced even 4K of? How many different ac did Soviet Russia or Us have that they made 4k, 5k+ of?

[Ack-Ack]

How many different ac did Soviet Russia or Us have that they made 4k, 5k+ of?

P-38
10,037 built

P-51D
15,000+ built

P-47
15,686 built

F4U
12,571 built

F6F
12,275 built


ack-ack

[tunnelrat]

well  not only in terms of sheer numbers but in the fact that it was so important to Japan.  How many planes did Japan have that they produced even 4K of? How many different ac did Soviet Russia or Us have that they made 4k, 5k+ of?

Just sticking to WW2 A/C that saw military use:

U.S.
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Consolidated B-24 Liberator: 18,482
North American P-51 Mustang: 16,766
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt: 15,686
Curtiss P-40 'hawk: 13,378
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress: 12,731
Vought F4U Corsair: 12,571
Grumman F6F Hellkitten: 12,275
Lockheed P-38 Lightning: 10,037
North American B-25 Mitchell: 9,984
Grumman TBF Avenger: 9,837
Bell P-39 Airacobra: 9,584
Grumman F4F Wildkitten: 7,722
Douglas A20/DB-7: 7,478
Douglas SBD Dauntless: 5,936
Martin B-26 Marauder: 5,288

U.K.
__

Supermarine Spitfire: 20,351
Hawker Hurricane: 14,527
Vickers Wellington: 11,461
Avro Anson: 11,029
de Havilland Mosquito: 7,781
Avro Lancaster: 7,377
Handley Page Halifax: 6,176
Bristol Beaufighter: 5,928

USSR
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Polikarpov Po-2: Over 40,000
Ilyushin IL-2: 36,183
Yakovlev Yak-9: 16,769
Petlyakov Pe-2: 11,427
Lavochkin La-5: 9,920
Polikarpov I-16: 9,450
Yakovlev Yak-1: 8,720
Tupolev SB: 6,656
Polikarpov I-15: 6,519
Yakovlev Yak-7: 6,399
Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov LaGG-3: 6,258
Polikarpov R-5: 6,000
Lavochkin La-7: 5,753
Ilyushin IL-4: 5,200

Japanese Empire:
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Mitsubishi A6M Zero: 10,939
Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa: 5,919
Yokosuka K5Y: 5,770 (Mostly used as a trainer)

Nazi Germany
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Messerschmitt Bf 109: 33,984
Focke-Wulf FW 190: More than 20,000
Junkers Ju-88: ~15,000
Heinkel He 111: 7,300
Messerschmitt Bf 110: 6,150
Junkers Ju 87: 6,000

[Karnak]

Of note, that Spitfire total does not include Seafires, but it does include the few post war Spitfires.  Mosquito numbers also include post war numbers.

3rd most produced Japanese fighter was the Ki-84 at just over 3,500 including prototypes.  Ki-84 has the record for highest production numbers of any aircraft in one year in Japan.


Edit:

Note the complete absence of Italy in the 5,000+ category.

[Nathan60]

Wouldnt expect Italy to have any over 5 k  was suprised Japan had only 3 tho but it goes to show how much of their production was used on the Ki 43

[Tank-Ace]

No Butcher did not fail...you did.

He is just using your augment against you. You have stated before that the Ki43 would be a hanger queen because in your opinion it's not better than something we already have......FAIL

+1 for OUR Ki43

No, he some how pulled a "Tank-ace things we need tanks better than the KT" out of "the KT does not feel the lack of the IS-2 and M26" (paraphrased of course).

And he stated that the armor was thinner than anything we have right now (false), and that its gun is also inferior to anything we have now as well (also false).

Being a Wehrmacht fanboi is one thing... but your assertion that an Ausf B. Tiger would dominate either an IS-2 or an M26 cannot be considered as having a basis in reality.

This is not to say that either the IS-2 or the M26 would dominate a King Tiger, either.

The Tiger II is faster than the IS2, far more heavily armored than the IS2 and M26, has superior optics compared to the Is2 and M26, it has a gun that is hand-down better than the Soviet 122mm or the US. 90mm.


Quite litterally, there are only two spots on the front of the Tiger II that can even theoreticly be penetrated by the IS2 or the M26: Lower hull, and the gun mantle.

The Tiger II could penetrate the most heavily armored spot on either tank out to ranges of around 2500yds. In comparison, the M26 can only penetrate the lower nose of the Tiger II (the weakest armored section on the front, and even then only theoreticly) out to ranges of 1000yds, and the IS2 out to about 1500yds.

Sorry, but neither the M26 or IS2 are even close to a match for the tiger II. The panther is more comperable.

[Karnak]

Wouldnt expect Italy to have any over 5 k  was suprised Japan had only 3 tho but it goes to show how much of their production was used on the Ki 43

There is no rational reason that Japan's production should have been so much higher than Italy, really.  Japan had been a medieval tech feudal nation as recently as 1863.

The other thing to note about the lack of Japanese totals over 5,000 is that Japan wasted a lot of potential production building aircraft that were entirely different, yet almost identical in capability and role.  Functionally there was little difference between the Ki-21 and G4M, but they are completely different aircraft.  This isn't always the case, the A6M and Ki-43 may seem fairly interchangeable, but the A6M was far more expensive than the Ki-43 and the Ki-43's structure far to weak to work as a carrier fighter.

[Wofat]

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Tank-Ace,

Your argument boils down to "We don't need the Fw190 because we have the similar Bf109 already."

you dont need a fw190a8 , fw200 condor turns even better  

Seriously, tank warfare is too cartoonish in here to make pz3 a contender, since we have rare hull-downs, icon revealing type , no camouflage.
IRL if used in urban combat/ broken terrain  vs t34/76 it could hurt them, and radio in both stukas and artillery.

That is how we used our light tankdestroyers ( not the stuka,part), we would shot the first and the last tank up from flank, and then called in artillery, for finishing the job.
we could never compete with t62s ,and later t72s one on one in our IKV91s, we could go anywhere though where MBTs had to keep on the roads.







I suggested before, in wish list the sturmgeschutz III, to be the next tank.

[Raphael]

if we get those planes does it mean we can have one of that scoped gunsight as an option aswell? like if it's a loadout option in hangar?

[MK-84]

If this is correct how can we possibly not have this ac in game?

Simple you are not going to kill much of anything with it at all.

Would it be a great addition...sort of.  In the MA which is where most of us fly it is so noncompetitive it's embarrassing.  For scenarios it would be great fun!  But an unarmored air frame with two 12.7mm that are crappier than an american .50 is not going to exactly make waves in the MA.

It's important yes, but historically for scenarios.  It will suck in the MA, and that's where most of us fly.  In terms of fun, it's unique, it's neat, and it's different, but the betty also gave us that as a bomber counterpart...how often is that used in the MA....

[Karnak]

They're the same two 12.7mm guns as the Ki-61 and Ki-84 have.  They really aren't bad.

[Tank-Ace]

as secondary armament, no they're not bad. But as your only armament, they would be a bit weak.


No matter how many stories you have of killing things with just a pair of .50's or equivilant caliber weapons, theres no denying that the firepower would be wanting. Especially at the typical MA speeds, your shots would be rather short unless you've suckered someone into a turn fight.