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Offline aerosaber

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LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« on: March 16, 2012, 12:30:19 AM »
Sure would like a winter skin for the LA5 and 7. Many examples on the web.
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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 05:50:16 AM »
Most would not be accurate in the case of profiles of the La5 not sure about the La7 though. Photos of most La5's are of the razor backs & I believe we can't use those.

This is the only winter scheme La5 that I know of that is compatible with our AHII frame. Sadly it was a display aircraft during WWII never was used in combat.

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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2012, 05:30:43 AM »
Aerosaber, if you have a photo of an La-5F or La-5FN in winter camo and with squadron markings I would happily skin it. However I have several books on that aircraft and have scoured the web and have yet to find one. As Lyric said we are not allowed to skin the "razorback" La-5 schemes on to the La-5FN shape.

Winter camo seems to have been less common on Soviet fighters from mid war on. I guess the grey camo was considered good enough air to air and the need to hide aircraft while they were on the ground became less of a problem for the Soviets and more of a problem for the LW after 43.
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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 02:59:50 PM »
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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 03:34:00 PM »
This is pretty crummy, but it's an La-7...


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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 05:02:06 PM »
Profiles of Soviet aircraft are unfortunately often not a reliable source of information. Profiles from cold war era western publications were often based on sheer guesswork due to the lack of information on matters military from the Soviet bloc at that time. These profiles got copied by other later books and also model manufacturers and so now we have profiles of things like brown and green La-7s that never existed in RL.

Also the Soviet Union's propaganda departments were fond of painting up display aircraft in lurid schemes for their aces to be photographed in front of. I could be wrong but I vaguely recall that that the no 27 La-7 above was a post war display aircraft for Ivan Kozhedub, while his actual combat aircraft were all two tone grey.

These profiles could be of real front line aircraft for all I know, or they could be figments of the artist's imagination. As the La-5FN does not have a unit, date or place listed it is more likely to be guesswork than real IMO.

Thanks for researching these, but I don't trust profiles of Soviet aircraft enough to base a skin on one without at least one photo to back it up.

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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 05:15:06 PM »
The white version of kozhebdubs White 27 is a post war stylisation as greebo says. Its actual colours renderd a white tail where this shows blue and the standard olive/grey colurs of VVS 44/45.

Another version of this is stylised in dark olive In Monino museum outside Moscow.
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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 05:18:58 PM »
Got it!! Very very cool how particular you guys are with this stuff.

I will see what I can do!

We have an Eastern European grocery here,  the owners are Russian and extremely cool... you never know who knows who or who had relatives in which branch, etc...
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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 03:22:16 PM »
Getting closer here... definitely a photo in the bottom right:



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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 03:22:50 PM »
Son of a...

Just realized them there is razor backs.... DANGEET....

Back to the googling board.
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Re: LA5 and LA7 Winter Camoflag
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 03:46:09 PM »
Greebo, I think I stumbled upon your tracks in your search, perhaps... haha...

So, while a white-winter camo scheme for the La5FN and La7 MAY exist, my take - after searching high and low - is that they would have been so rare, they probably still don't fit the bill for authenticity...  which is a shame, because I do like white camo schemes.
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