Tanks blah

[Slate]

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  I notice if I take an M4 with the rocket package Aircraft will easily take out the overhead rockets and damage will be listed as turret out. But the Main gun will still be active and I've never had that gun disabled. You still can be killed of course. Don't know if it's a bug but I won't tell. 
  Fun Tank to take down Buildings with 60 rockets if you make it to town. 

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I have yet to be shown a real life documented kill, when a  plane shooting ground ricocheting bullets killing a MBT.
Where did you read this ?

I've Been a RL tanker 20 years.

its VERY hard to coordinate 3-4 people to 1 aquire target for commander , 2 vector gun  by gunner, calculate distance where to shoot, press trigger, probably seeing plane in sight for less than more than 3 seconds and fine adjust sight during that time.

Ive recorded a confirmed Heli kill , using laser rangefinder and target computer at target less than 800 meters stupid to fly high enough for clear shot

The Typhoon had four 20mm Hispano cannon. The P-47 carried eight .50 cal. machine guns with 400 rounds per gun, and it proved "particularly successful" against transports. The machine guns OCCASIONALLY even caused casualties to tanks and tank crews. The .50 cal. armor-piercing bullets often penetrated the underside of vehicles after ricocheting off the road, or penetrated the exhaust system of the tanks, ricocheting around the interior of the armored hull, killing or wounding the crew and sometimes igniting the fuel supply or detonating ammunition storage. This seemed surprising at first, given the typically heavy armor of German tanks.

   So lets talk about how soft Armor is to Bullets in AH.  I think tanks should be harder to kill with strafing runs.

[WWhiskey]

I have yet to be shown a real life documented kill, when a  plane shooting ground ricocheting bullets killing a MBT.
Where did you read this ?

I've Been a RL tanker 20 years.

its VERY hard to coordinate 3-4 people to 1 aquire target for commander , 2 vector gun  by gunner, calculate distance where to shoot, press trigger, probably seeing plane in sight for less than more than 3 seconds and fine adjust sight during that time.

Ive recorded a confirmed Heli kill , using laser rangefinder and target computer at target less than 800 meters stupid to fly high enough for clear shot

of course there is already one account of it in this thread,  but some other thread on this board tells of the soviets parking their lend lease Shermans in such a manner as to make the Germans fly higher or risk getting shot down by their main guns and it is noted that the Russian records would probably be hard to find!
 that said,, if a range card that floats above the ground can be hit,, then a plane flying in a strait line towards the main gun can also be hit  is it lucky? yes, did it happen much in WW2?  no ,,,probably for many reasons, tank gunners rarely if ever fired and gave up their positions for a slim chance at hitting a low flying craft! does that mean it was not possible? no,, It is highly possible that a round from a main gun traveling towards an aircraft that is on a parallel but inverse course ot it could be struck by it?  absolutely!!! it would be a lot less likely to miss than to hit barring any change in direction of the aircraft! did aircraft frequently fly directly at tanks without any course change and at low level? absolutely not!,, find me any training manual that states this is a good idea!
Bottom line:  if you fly low, strait, and level at a gun, ,, expect the round that comes out of it to hit you!   tanks win all ho'''es!

[Ack-Ack]

of course there is already one account of it in this thread,  but some other thread on this board tells of the soviets parking their lend lease Shermans in such a manner as to make the Germans fly higher or risk getting shot down by their main guns and it is noted that the Russian records would probably be hard to find!

I posted that a year or so ago when this debate first popped up in another thread.  It was a Soviet Guard tank regiment of Lend-Lease Shermans and the account was from the commander of the battalion in his book he wrote post-war.  He never claimed to have shot down any planes with his tanks but he did clearly state that they did fire at them with their main gun and .50 caliber machine guns.

ack-ack

[321BAR]

if the GVs cant main gun A/C my ground to air K/D would drop substantially...


come on i sit in an M4/75 with my gun pointed up shooting planes at 2k out etc... its too much fun

[crazyivan]

Not even sure why this is being debated, for every 1 aircraft I shoot down with a main gun I get bombed 9 times.

and whine.  

Silat, got main gunned muhaaaa.

side note: 190 series can be main gunned and fly away with an oil hit.

[SmokinLoon]

Not even sure why this is being debated, for every 1 aircraft I shoot down with a main gun I get bombed 9 times.

The fact that it is barely more difficult than shooting skeet is the reason.  The mere fact that a tank gunner can find the inbound aircraft in his main gun is a miracle.  That is a product of slaving the TC and the turret together.       

Again, it is more of a coding thing than anything.  HTC has assigned damage values to projectiles and objects, and if a German 30mm HE hit to the nose of aircraft make them go "puuf", then a 75mm HE is going to do even more regardless of where it came from.  I get a kick out of the "if the B25H can kill tanks then tanks should be able to kill aircraft" argument, that is about as  as it gets.

Tanks should be no threat to aircraft.  The top mounted AA guns don't do much more than put a few holes in the aircraft, and once in awhile get lucky and deliver a PW, damage to the radiator or oil system, etc.  Few things are as gamey and arcade-ish as tanks shooting down aircraft with its main gun.  But... nothing is going to change so it is time to button this topic up and move on. 

[VonMessa]

Even In IL2s Ive been shot down by tanks only a couple of times. If you fly flat you deserve to get whacked but if you come in vertical, and go out vertical, you not only make it almost impossible for them to shoot you down you also get preferred angles on their thin top armor.

^^^^

Pretty much the long and short of it.

Fly down the bore of my main gun and a surprise will come out of it 

[Slate]

I have yet to be shown a real life documented kill, when a  plane shooting ground ricocheting bullets killing a MBT.
Where did you read this ?

I've Been a RL tanker 20 years.

its VERY hard to coordinate 3-4 people to 1 aquire target for commander , 2 vector gun  by gunner, calculate distance where to shoot, press trigger, probably seeing plane in sight for less than more than 3 seconds and fine adjust sight during that time.

Ive recorded a confirmed Heli kill , using laser rangefinder and target computer at target less than 800 meters stupid to fly high enough for clear shot

Here's the link written by an Airforce Historian: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/AAF-H-DDay/index.html
 The quote is on page 15.
 I see you have killed an aircraft with a tank.  and thanks for your years of service.

[zippo]

  I  the real world there are dedicated AA units, assigned there maybe not because they want to be there.  In the game world(aside from some who follow directions of the armchair generals), the person takes what they want to play in.  Most don't go tank hunting with an anit-aircraft gun, so the dedicated AA units aren't there.  The tankers use what they have to defend against aircraft....should they not have a chance to shoot back?  Is that the issue...that a bombing target actually shot back?   The AA guns usually just spawn in response to the jabos.
  Guess it's just not fair for the tanks to try to defend themselves.

[dirtdart]

The probability of a point detonaiting round 7.5 cm wide hitting an aircraft in flight is so remote. But if you fly straight at a tank I suppose it increases the odds. The glitch I don't like is the fire he in front of me as the ac passes overhead and record a kill. 

[MAINER]

dont fly your plane that close to the ground or right up their gun barrel. Attack from a higher angle. problem solved.

[Wiley]

The fact that it is barely more difficult than shooting skeet is the reason.  The mere fact that a tank gunner can find the inbound aircraft in his main gun is a miracle.  That is a product of slaving the TC and the turret together.       

Not necessarily.  The couple times I've main gunned planes, I was peering through my main gun sight and saw the aircraft flying toward me just over the trees.  Elevated, pop.

Again, it is more of a coding thing than anything.  HTC has assigned damage values to projectiles and objects, and if a German 30mm HE hit to the nose of aircraft make them go "puuf", then a 75mm HE is going to do even more regardless of where it came from.  I get a kick out of the "if the B25H can kill tanks then tanks should be able to kill aircraft" argument, that is about as  as it gets.

Tanks should be no threat to aircraft.  The top mounted AA guns don't do much more than put a few holes in the aircraft, and once in awhile get lucky and deliver a PW, damage to the radiator or oil system, etc.  Few things are as gamey and arcade-ish as tanks shooting down aircraft with its main gun.  But... nothing is going to change so it is time to button this topic up and move on. 

I am dying to know why it is if the aircraft moves into the tank's field of fire the projectile from the tank should not have the ability to hit it.

Wiley.

[coola4me]

Tanks main gun hitting moving air targets in RL would definitely be difficult, unless your these guys haha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnqUyz3R4sA

Probably not real but cool nonetheless! 

[mbailey]

    Yet apparently Annie Freaking Oakley with her single shot contact fused miracle tank gun