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[clerick]

Lol, oops you're right, I meant to say Chevy Cruze

the only thing that the Volt has in common with any other chevrolet is a bow tie badge and questionable styling.

The Cruze is more Daewoo Lacetti then Volt.

[ozrocker]

Yea but Americans like to whine about nothing.....


 


 

At least we have Chicken    
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[bj229r]

the only thing that the Volt has in common with any other chevrolet is a bow tie badge and questionable styling.

The Cruze is more Daewoo Lacetti then Volt.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-chevrolet-volt-vs-2011-chevrolet-cruze-eco-comparison-test

Interesting stuff. The Volt is nice if your trek is 20 miles away or less, when you get into long trips, the mileage between the two is similar...around town the Volt is a miser. Not sure how long the gas mileage saving takes to get your $20k back. If you just appreciate nice gadgets, go for it

In EPA city and highway MPGe calculations, each 33.7 kWh of electricity consumed equals one gallon of gas.
The energy used to produce the fuel (the so-called well-to-tank content) is not included.
No mixed-mode testing: The EPA runs Volt city and highway tests twice—once on battery power, then a second time with the engine running. The combined figure is the usual blend of 55 percent city and 45 percent highway.

Where I live....it's about 10 cents per kilowatt.

How much cheaper is it to run on electricity? I complained earlier that the Volt’s display doesn’t include a report for miles-per-kWh analogous to the trip computer’s miles-per-gallon report while running on gas. I’ll repeat that complaint. Consequently, I had to do a little math, the upshot of which is that the Volt covers about four miles on each kilowatt-hour (when not running the air conditioning). Conservatively figure three miles per kWh to allow for charging losses and some AC use. In Michigan each kWh costs about 12 cents, so this works out to about four cents per mile. In the Cruze ECO I observed a bit over 35 MPG. With gas at $3.80, that’s about 11 cents per mile. Over the course of a 12,000-mile year, the difference would add up to about $800. In other words, it’ll be a while before that $10,000+ is recouped

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/review-2012-chevrolet-volt/

Volt has a catch-22 thing: Gets AWESOME mileage on short trips, but with only short trips, you're REALLY not saving much money in gas (as you weren't spending much to START with) Drive the thing a LOT....(longer trips) it's mileage goes downhill proportionately. Buy the Cruze, put that extra $15-$20k in an interest bearing account, use it to buy gas

[CAP1]

See Rule #14

[tassos]

-Oilcompanies pay Carbuilder to Build Gasoline cars cause its more complicate and expensive those days to Build a Gasoline car than a E-car.
-Where they get the Money?: from Country's who give money to explore Cars,51% of the E-car exploring is from Oilcompanies.
-Why they Start Build Hummer and SUVs: Oilcompanies told Carbuilders to makes this Gasoline Eaters and show faked safety and high status of life.
-Did GM ever had a good E-car? ask Denni Devito,Mel Gibson ore Aces high player John Travolta they had one in end 90s.

tasos E-car exploring VW Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjHQ3u3bwGs

[tassos]

Who Killed The Electric Car?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsJAlrYjGz8

[tassos]

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-chevrolet-volt-vs-2011-chevrolet-cruze-eco-comparison-test

Interesting stuff. The Volt is nice if your trek is 20 miles away or less, when you get into long trips, the mileage between the two is similar...around town the Volt is a miser. Not sure how long the gas mileage saving takes to get your $20k back. If you just appreciate nice gadgets, go for itWhere I live....it's about 10 cents per kilowatt.
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/review-2012-chevrolet-volt/

Volt has a catch-22 thing: Gets AWESOME mileage on short trips, but with only short trips, you're REALLY not saving much money in gas (as you weren't spending much to START with) Drive the thing a LOT....(longer trips) it's mileage goes downhill proportionately. Buy the Cruze, put that extra $15-$20k in an interest bearing account, use it to buy gas

GM Volt is a Shame for every American,
The Nazis used same Technology to cross the Atlantic with Submarines to Kill Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYdHUxdMTI&feature=related

[clerick]

the notion that oil companies "told" the auto makers to do anything is absurd! They make SUV's and trucks because they sell, and mor importantly they make $$$, unlike small cars.

GM made a stupid decision by bowing to government pressure to build the Volt. They lose money on each one and so far it's been a nightmare for them and their owners.

[tassos]

the notion that oil companies "told" the auto makers to do anything is absurd! They make SUV's and trucks because they sell, and mor importantly they make $$$, unlike small cars.

GM made a stupid decision by bowing to government pressure to build the Volt. They lose money on each one and so far it's been a nightmare for them and their owners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AU3_2IT8k8&feature=related

[CAP1]

GM Volt is a Shame for every American,
The Nazis used same Technology to cross the Atlantic with Submarines to Kill Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYdHUxdMTI&feature=related

 did you know that the Civil Air Patrol(i think they were the Coastal Patrol back then) sank at least 2 u-boats off the coast of of the us? and that they were actually civilians, flying civilian aircraft when they did that?

[CAP1]

the notion that oil companies "told" the auto makers to do anything is absurd! They make SUV's and trucks because they sell, and mor importantly they make $$$, unlike small cars.

GM made a stupid decision by bowing to government pressure to build the Volt. They lose money on each one and so far it's been a nightmare for them and their owners.

 this.......free market works wonders.

[clerick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AU3_2IT8k8&feature=related

UGH! The amount of crap in that makes me want to send you a bill for my time.

There is NO profitable market for a $30k+ car that goes 100 miles at best and takes a significant part of day to recharge. Is there any market for it? Absolutely, but lets not pretend that it makes sense for the vast majority of drivers. If you could produce a car that went as far, was as easy and quick to refuel, had the longevity and, more importantly, cost the same as its petroleum based cousin without sacrificing ANY comfort or usefulness, you'd sell tons of them! But ONLY if you could do it for a profit. As it stands electric cars aren't any of that.

Cars like the EV1 were a miserable, horrible, foolish idea. They were conceived and built to capitalize on the emotions of the greenies the same way a supercharged 'vette is made to capitalize on the emotions of the petrol heads. They were and are image builders, the same as the hybrids are today.

You cannot and will not convince the consumer to buy something that is so far out of range of desire/need.

I have nothing against the idea or the technology of alternate fuel vehicles. I have issues with those that think that they are a panacea for all of the world's ills. I will buy one when I am ready, and more importantly, the technology is ready.

[redcatcherb412]

4-corners    3.92 for 88 oct  we have oilfields and refineries right here
.
fuel trucked from 4-corners refineries to Albuquerque 180 miles away
is in 3.60 range, no oilfield or refinery there.

go figure 

[guncrasher]

Semp,

 I'm curious to what car in the 80's got 60 mpg?  I dont think even the VW diesels got 40 mpg back then.




  

cant remember the name but here's some

http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/10/08/super-cheap-high-mpg-cars-1978-1981/

watch this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr57nwiOXLg




semp

[clerick]

cant remember the name but here's some




semp

What's interesting to me is that there are mid-sized sedans today that can rival those numbers while producing real, usable power. Technology has come a long way and the automakers are doing a great job despite the goofy regulations placed on them.