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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2012, 08:32:41 PM »
at least theres independent dynos to test cars these days, and owners willing to use them. it wasnt that long ago you had to trust the manufacturer for the numbers. up to 1990ish press cars were usually highly tweaked versions of the production models. go further back and the claimed numbers were just made up, the 60s full house AM straight 6 claimed 300bhp and was barely 200 ... :lol
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Offline Grayeagle

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2012, 10:37:46 AM »
-grins-

The late '60's - early '70's were amazin for us gearheads.
Useda get a huge laugh readin Chilton manual's claims for HP.

426 Hemi rated at 425 hp at 4400 rpm .. f'rinstance.
It redlined at 7000rpm and pulled *hard* from 2500rpm on up.
Art Carr (if I remember) stuffed one into an early 60's Dart with an automatic
..would hold a few k rpm and just jam it into 'drive' to launch it.
One of the first 9 second street cars if I recall correctly when he got done with it.
Car Craft or someone ran an article on it.. engine was dyno'd out of the box from Mopar at 680hp, stock,
..only add-on being the dyno shop headers.
 
Dyno numbers are great for runnin a baseline before you start playin with your toy.
Long as you use the same one, same density altitude, etc ..you can tell what your latest mod actually does.
Always kinda tickles me a bit when someone drops a few hundred bucks
..then the dyno tells 'em they got an extra 10hp right at the redline ..-shakes head-
..just not very cost effective yanno?

I am all about huge gains where I use it the most, ie:
.. supercharging does it from idle all the way up, instantly, soon as you press the pedal.
-evil grin- .. people have said it's like bolting on 150 cubic inches :)

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2012, 11:17:57 AM »
Yup GE I agree with the spupercharger... and some of the new stuff is nice. Check out the new Roush one it is good for about 100 HP...good stuff.
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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2012, 04:13:51 PM »
I'm a little leery about using any of the centrifugal blowers with a manual transmission because of the shock loading the blower drive gears have to endure.

It's a bit similar to the griffon blower quill shaft failures in unlimited hydroplane racing.

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2012, 03:45:11 PM »
1.6 sounds a lot like 60 foot times for a very quick drag car.
For comparison, my 440 powered, 3020lb Duster on 13" x 31" slicks would post right at 2.0 60 foot times.
That was with zero tire spin off the line, 8" converter flashin to 4700 rpm thru 4.89 gears.

There weren't many cars with license plates that could stay with it in first gear.
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Offline Grayeagle

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2012, 01:01:46 PM »
Silverz06:

Yes, technology has changed quite a bit since I ran my Duster (1976-1991) and there are some very quick street cars around these days :)
LACR is where I useda spend most of my racin time .. 3500' alt
.. all the boys from Pomona would come up and run a second slower
.. useda get comments all the time about how my Duster shoulda been faster
.. then I went down to Pomona and ripped a 10.27 best in a day spent tryin to get into the Pro Gas field for that day.
Much better track, air, traction, all that jazz.
It ran like a different car.

Bakersfield Division 7 bracket ET finals I'd run 11.15's all day long.

Shame I did not keep a scrap book of those years, prolly have some time slips stuffed in a box somewhere.

I remember one guy in his 340 Duster kinda laughin a bit,
..he said his car (from Pomona) would run a few tenths quicker than my 440 powered Duster.
Told me it was a waste of time to put a 440 in a Duster if it wasn't gonna go fast.
Then he made his first time trial.

Could not even get into the bracket I was in, he was *bummed* :)

-GE aka Frank
'The better I shoot ..the less I have to manuever'
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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2012, 01:47:20 PM »

I remember one guy in his 340 Duster kinda laughin a bit,
..he said his car (from Pomona) would run a few tenths quicker than my 440 powered Duster.
Told me it was a waste of time to put a 440 in a Duster if it wasn't gonna go fast.
Then he made his first time trial.

Could not even get into the bracket I was in, he was *bummed* :)

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Offline Hajo

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2012, 05:43:55 PM »
Frank....coming from an old Mopar gearhead such as myself......the guy that said the 440
in a Duster was a waste of time....well....how can I put this kindly.  I can't I guess. He
just dint know what he was talking about.  We old Mopar geeks knew the 440 was more reliable
then the 426 race Hemi.  The Hemis was a biatch to keep running right.  They flooded easily
and keeping those two Carbs in-line was a bear.  Don't get me wrong the sponsored Mopar Crews
that ran 426 race Hemis knew what they were doing.  They did a lot of work to keep on top of the Hemi.  
In my book the 440 was just as good and easier to work with. <shrugz>

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440 rated at 390 HP....Yuk Yuk lol
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Offline Grayeagle

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2012, 09:38:25 AM »
Aye Hajo .. I had more 'kodak moments' in that car than I had in most :)

ie:
Guy with arm draped around his girlfriend wanders to the front of the Duster.
I had the 'glas hood resting on the roof, it was at a local cruise, ..so ya .. I was showin it off a bit.
Was just after I had changed over to the tunnel ram an such.

I was a few feet away ..he says to his girl:
'Cool .. a tunnel-rammed 340, man he musta put some work into that motor to run that setup!'
(to be fair, I had '340' emblems on the fenders .. it was at least that many cubes after all -evil grin-)

I walked up alongside, pointed to the distributor:
'Ya ..he even moved the distributor up front, man .. it looks 'factory' even, very cool!'

He nodded sayin 'Ya, you don't see many people go thru that much work, that is cool!'

I had to walk away.
Just could not keep a straight face anymore.

That car was so much fun in so many ways.

-Frank aka GE
'The better I shoot ..the less I have to manuever'
-GE

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2012, 09:41:26 AM »
I pulled a 1.9 60 foot time with a 1984 maxima.

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2012, 09:46:33 AM »
I pulled a 1.9 60 foot time with a 1984 maxima.

L28ET Ftw  ;)

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Re: Vette does 'ok' racin, too.
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2012, 10:03:43 AM »
It was a 1984 L24 with L28et turbo bits on it.

They have a head designed with a quench pad which allows you to simply swap on the turbo stuff to that longblock netting a car 2 seconds faster in the quarter at 5 pounds of boost.....on the stock non-turbo injectors.

I do love the L28et and have a few around but I have been eyeing the LD28 I have for turboing and installation into a 240sx though a mercedes OM606 would be more cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RghY0For0Q

Any of you guys driven the vortec inline six from the relatively recent chevy trucks?   Seems cool.
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