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Offline scottak

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IS-2
« on: April 02, 2012, 09:04:31 PM »
After the Battle of Kursk it was realized that larger guns than 85 mm were needed. Kotin's team at Zavod Nr 9 initially placed an 85 mm gun in the IS series but it was then determined that a 100 mm or 122 mm gun was needed. The 100 mm BS-3 and 122 mm A-19 were put through tests in November 1943. The 100 mm was better at armor penetration but the 122 mm could rip off the armor of a captured Panther. The 122 mm was selected as it was available and the 100 mm was in very short supply.

Based on the IS-1 with a longer turret to accept the 122 mm, which was designed by General A. A. Petrov. Initially had a single chambered muzzle brake which later became a double chamber after a test which almost fatally wounded Marshal K. E. Voroshilov.

The A-19 122 mm gun was based on a naval gun. The ammunition was in 2 parts which slowed it's loading. An IS-2's crew could fire around 2 or 3 rounds a minute. In 1944 the 122 mm D-25T gun was installed which had a better breech which helped its performance.

The IS-2 had a cast hull front which was uniformly sloped, not bent as in the IS-1. The better sloping provided better protection without an increase in weight. The IS-2 could now withstand a direct hit by a 88 mm AP round at over 9,144 yards / 1,000 m.

crew: 4
weight: 101,963 lb
Length w/gun:31' "
Length w/o gun:21' 10"
Height:8.9'
Width:10' 1.6"
Ground clearance:13.75"
Ground contact length:14' 3.25"
Ground pressure:11.25 psi
Main:122 mm D-25
MG:3: 7.62 mm DT MG
Hull Front, Upper:4.3"
Hull Front, Lower:90-95mm
Hull Sides, Upper"3.5"
Hull Sides, Lower:90mm
Hull Rear:2"
Hull Top:20 - 30mm
Turret Front:3.9"
Turret Sides:3.7"
Turret Rear:90mm
Engine (Make / Model)

V-2-IS
Bore / stroke

 4 stroke
Cylinders

V-12
Net HP
 
 600  @2,000 rpm8
Power to weight ratio

11.3 hp/ton
Transmission (Type)

8 forward, 2 reverse
 fuel Quantity

217 gallons, 158 gallons + 104 gallons in auxiliary
  
speed: 37 kmh

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Re: IS-2
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 09:59:18 PM »
Umm.... the IS-2 could never withstand a direct hit from an 88mm PzGr.39/43 APCBC-HE round. Those 88mm shells were rated for 203mm of penetration at 30 degrees slope.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 10:48:24 PM »
Umm.... the IS-2 could never withstand a direct hit from an 88mm PzGr.39/43 APCBC-HE round. Those 88mm shells were rated for 203mm of penetration at 30 degrees slope.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 11:10:17 PM »
distance?

At 2000 yards the 88mm PaK 43 / 41 L / 71 could beat 153mm of armor with PzGr.40 / 43 ( Armor Piercing Composite Rigid ) ammo.  At 1000 yards it could defeat 193mm.

As I've always said about the IS-2 and the other "big" Soviets tanks, many people forget one major factor when gauging their "effectiveness".  Yeah, they may have Tiger-like armor.  Yeah, they may have 88mm like AP values.  However, the IS-2 had a reload time of 20 seconds at best (2-3 rounds a minute).  Read up.  The ammo was loaded in 2 parts: first the projectile then the powder charge.  NOT very effective in terms of reloading efficiency.  In AH, the IS-2 would have a tough time.  Formidable enemy tank guns found on the likes of the Panther, Tiger, M4/76 and M18, Panzer IV H, and Firefly would get 3-4 shots for everyone the IS-2 could dish out.  In short, think of the Tiger I with a reload of 20 seconds and that is what the IS-2 would bring to AH.  It would not fair as well as many people think.  Heck, even the King Tiger would have a 2-1 reload rate (and superior armor, too).

 
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 11:37:59 PM »

The IS-2 could now withstand a direct hit by a 88 mm AP round at over 9,144 yards / 1,000 m.


Your conversion seems extremely off...  1000m approximately equals 1094 yards..., not 9000 yards.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2012, 12:15:52 AM »
distance?

100m. Significant penetration preformance was still retained beyond 2500m, certinally more than enough to defeat the frontal armor of an IS-2.

And past that, the IS-2's 122mm would penetrate slightly more armor than the Tiger I's 88mm L'56, and would retain its penetration at range a bit better. But even then, a Panther's glacis plate would defeat the round at a little more than 1000yds IIRC.


Smokin, I think the Tiger II fires a bit faster than 6 rounds per minute. Not a whole lot, mind you, but IIRC, it was something around 6.3 rounds per minute when I timed in in AH.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 12:32:14 AM »
Would it merit a perk price?  I wouldn't think so with it's hellish reload time and limited ammo.  If it does get perked, I wouldn't expect it to be much more than what the T-34/85 sits at.  Would be an interesting add regardless. :aok
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 12:38:37 AM »
Probably be perked about as much as the Panther. It would be the second most heavily armored tank in the game, it would have even thicker armor when you angle your tank, and its gun would still pack a wallop if it penetrates your armor.

Likely it would one-shot a Tiger II even at long range, if by some mirical the gunner hit the lower nose and penetrated.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 12:39:40 AM »
this tank would just sit on the concrete just like most tiger2's now.  I would rather have small fast tanks like the m18 than "bigger" tanks.  it would sure make it more fun to outflank other's rather than sit on concrete racking up kills.

I was giving air cover at a base where the tiger2 would just sit close to the base and at the least amount of danger run to concrete and land. then saw 2 or 3 just up and sit next to the hangar.  which gives me another wish.


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Re: IS-2
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 12:49:35 AM »
Semp, that crap isn't going to stop untill GV's have as much chance as the aircraft does to get away.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 01:49:45 AM »
Sure is a big looking tank. 
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 02:36:21 AM »
Its about the same size as a Panzer IV actually, only about 10 ft longer counting the lenght of the guns.
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 06:08:54 AM »
Umm.... the IS-2 could never withstand a direct hit from an 88mm PzGr.39/43 APCBC-HE round. Those 88mm shells were rated for 203mm of penetration at 30 degrees slope.
i was talking about fthe 88mm flak 18. and i guess i forgot to correct some things before i posted.

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Re: IS-2
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 06:10:27 AM »
At 2000 yards the 88mm PaK 43 / 41 L / 71 could beat 153mm of armor with PzGr.40 / 43 ( Armor Piercing Composite Rigid ) ammo.  At 1000 yards it could defeat 193mm.

As I've always said about the IS-2 and the other "big" Soviets tanks, many people forget one major factor when gauging their "effectiveness".  Yeah, they may have Tiger-like armor.  Yeah, they may have 88mm like AP values.  However, the IS-2 had a reload time of 20 seconds at best (2-3 rounds a minute).  Read up.  The ammo was loaded in 2 parts: first the projectile then the powder charge.  NOT very effective in terms of reloading efficiency.  In AH, the IS-2 would have a tough time.  Formidable enemy tank guns found on the likes of the Panther, Tiger, M4/76 and M18, Panzer IV H, and Firefly would get 3-4 shots for everyone the IS-2 could dish out.  In short, think of the Tiger I with a reload of 20 seconds and that is what the IS-2 would bring to AH.  It would not fair as well as many people think.  Heck, even the King Tiger would have a 2-1 reload rate (and superior armor, too).

 
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Re: IS-2
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 08:22:32 AM »
It would be neat to have, but since there is no true damage model with the tanks in this game as there is with world of tanks, big guns don't seem to do too much. If it penetrates, it kills. I have tested this a few times in the offline arena.
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