Stuka

[Tank-Ace]

You can play the Stuka like a fighter with a bit of energy and some skill. Hell, I've fought my way through defenders (although admittedly mediocre ones) while lugging the 2000kg egg.

[Ack-Ack]

Can't be THAT much harder than getting A2A kills with the 40mm's on the Hurri IID, can it?

Probably on the magnitude of 10x harder. 

You can play the Stuka like a fighter with a bit of energy and some skill. Hell, I've fought my way through defenders (although admittedly mediocre ones) while lugging the 2000kg egg.

If you think you'll be able to maneuver with two 37mm cannon gondolas on the Stuka, you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

ack-ack

[Butcher]

You can play the Stuka like a fighter with a bit of energy and some skill. Hell, I've fought my way through defenders (although admittedly mediocre ones) while lugging the 2000kg egg.

If you go back a few years, Tank Ace never even had an aircraft kill in a Stuka, I debunked this in the last thread he said he claimed he was this "stuka ace". I have actually one kill in a stuka against a spitfire.

You wern't so "mediocre" before in the previous threads, they were "aces" when your stats and kill sheet said never 1 kill against an aircraft.

nice try ace, you flamed.

[Skull_001]

You can play the Stuka like a fighter with a bit of energy and some skill. Hell, I've fought my way through defenders (although admittedly mediocre ones) while lugging the 2000kg egg.

Once again shows his lack of knowledge of the Stuka.
Stuka doesnt have a 2000KG bomb. That big ol' thing is only 1800. LOL.
Im VF-17s resident Stuka pilot lol and I get ragged on all the time.

[Karnak]

I ran into a Ju87 while flying an A6M3 the other day.   The Ju87 tried to dogfight with it.  That didn't end well for him.

Really made the A6M3 feel like a predator though.

[Butcher]

I ran into a Ju87 while flying an A6M3 the other day.   The Ju87 tried to dogfight with it.  That didn't end well for him.

Really made the A6M3 feel like a predator though.

I've tried dogfighting in a Stuka a few times, given the skill level of the pilots I went away, it has to be someone so stupid to try to flat turn with a stuka.

I was in an FSO and this happened, pinged a yak for good 30 seconds and couldn't bring him down before I got picked by an La5.

[Karnak]

Yeah, the Stuka is not a fighter.  You can kinda press a D3A1 into service as a fighter and the SBD-5 doesn't do too badly, but the Stuka is just too clumsy.

A lot of people like to joke about how slow and underpowered the A6M is, but against that Ju87 the A6M3 felt very fast and very powerful.  The Ju87 was well above me when I spotted it and I easily climbed and intercepted him, no chase upon reaching his altitude at all, let alone the usual long one.  When it came to the fight the Stuka was helpless.  I would not have wanted to have been in a Ju87 that ran into a Hurricane, Lavochkin, P-40, Spitfire or Yak.

[Butcher]

i forget who, but someone was in a Stuka, and mouthed on 200 - "come down here and fight 262" - so I came down - first pass he obviously split-s and turned hard as he could, this took all his alt away I slowed down from 500 to 400 enough to give me flaps,
dropped one notch and he tried his little "twist and turn" and it didn't work so well.

[Ack-Ack]

I used to take out the Ju87D-3 all of the time, it was the only other plane I used to fly other than the P-38.  After dropping my bombs, I'd fly around as a fighter but 9 out of 10 times I never made it home.  Sure, I'd give a good fight but unless the fighter I was attacking was utterly clueless or completely unaware, I really had no chance against a fighter but it was fun.  Though in on sortie I did beat the crap out of ghi's LA7 a couple of times until he started using BnZ against me.

ack-ack

[Denniss]

Fighting a Ju 87D in an A6M series aircraft may be dangerous if you come in the firing range of the rear guns, those will spray a hell lot of 7.92mm bullets at you. With the known survivability features (or the lack of) one bullet in the right place and the A6M is in trouble instead.

BTW I really hope the Ju 87D suffers badly in range with the 1.8t bomb as it had to sacrifice fuel for this extreme load. At least in the D-5 it's that way, max load without fuel reduction was 1.4t.

[Arlo]

Once again shows his lack of knowledge of the Stuka.
Stuka doesnt have a 2000KG bomb. That big ol' thing is only 1800. LOL.
Im VF-17s resident Stuka pilot lol and I get ragged on all the time.

Not about Stuka piloting, however.

[Karnak]

Fighting a Ju 87D in an A6M series aircraft may be dangerous if you come in the firing range of the rear guns, those will spray a hell lot of 7.92mm bullets at you. With the known survivability features (or the lack of) one bullet in the right place and the A6M is in trouble instead.

Meh.  7.92mm is unlikely to start a fire and from the front the A6M isn't much less armored than most other fighters.  People exaggerate how much armor fighters, even the "tough" ones like the P-47 and F6F, carried.

Let's put it this way, the A6M3's Sakae engine has just as much armor as the P-47's R-2800.


Additionally, if he wanted to man the tail gun and fly flat and mostly level I could simple attack him from below.

[Denniss]

Additionally, if he wanted to man the tail gun and fly flat and mostly level I could simple attack him from below.

Try this at treetop level and you'll have a problem with wooden "enemies". That's the problem Luftwaffe fighters often had with the Il-2.

[Karnak]

Try this at treetop level and you'll have a problem with wooden "enemies". That's the problem Luftwaffe fighters often had with the Il-2.

In this case it was a fight at about 10,000ft over the ocean, so.... 

[Tank-Ace]

Probably on the magnitude of 10x harder. 

Aside from the lower rate of fire, one would think that it would be easier to get a hit on an aerial target, since the balistics were better.

If you think you'll be able to maneuver with two 37mm cannon gondolas on the Stuka, you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

ack-ack

I can't imagine the weight is a whole lot greater than the 1800kg egg. Was the drag really that bad on the BK 37 gondolas?