Extend saved "Mode" settings to include "dead band" and "damping"

[TDeacon]

no I do understand how you want to use it, I just think that people who are happy to tolerate unwanted control inputs in one mode, but not in another are rare.

When you say "unwanted control inputs" you are over-simplifying.  If you read my example again carefully, you can see that what is an unwanted control input in a GV may not be unwanted in a plane.  It's as simple as that.

Reading your post again, and going even further, it should be *crystal clear* to you that the large rudder (Z axis) deadband setting would be *totally unacceptable* for the plane, but *absolutely necessary* for the GV steered with the rudder pedals.  

MH

[RTHolmes]

yes I get it: you dont want steering drift/spikes/whatever while in GVs because it will slow down the GV when the steering isnt centred, but you dont mind the rudder drift/spikes/whatever when you're flying an aircraft.


I just think that the vast majority of players would prefer not to have drift/spikes/whatever in any mode.

[TDeacon]

yes I get it: you dont want steering drift/spikes/whatever while in GVs because it will slow down the GV when the steering isnt centred, but you dont mind the rudder drift/spikes/whatever when you're flying an aircraft.

I just think that the vast majority of players would prefer not to have drift/spikes/whatever in any mode.

I think this is much more common than you suppose.  

If they are steering the GV with rudder pedals, they will need a large deadband setting on rudder / z-axis.  Otherwise, they will be moving along at 3 mph, as the transmission will never shift out of first gear.  

If they are flying a plane with rudder pedals, they will want a zero deadband setting on rudder / z-axis.  Otherwise, they will have an additional control input discontinuity when operating the rudder, which will make aiming harder.  

MH

[guncrasher]

Semp here is how I did it with my CH Throttel. First in the key mapper I assigned keys to the modes becasue by default there are no assignments.

Keyboard Mapper:

Mode1 ctrl_left arrow
Mode2 ctrl_up arrow
Mode3 ctrl_right arrow
Mode4 ctrl_down arrow

Controller Mapper:

CH Throttel
Mode1
Button13 - Mode2

Mode2
Button13 - Mode3

Mode3
Button13 - Mode4

Mode4
Button13 - Mode1

One button cycles all 4 modes.

ah cc bustr I understand.  i cant be done.  oh well, it was just a dream ,


semp

[RTHolmes]

If they are flying a plane with rudder pedals, they will want a zero deadband setting on rudder / z-axis.  Otherwise, they will have an additional control input discontinuity when operating the rudder, which will make aiming harder.

its hard to aim with the rudder flopping from side to side when you dont want it to ...

[TDeacon]

its hard to aim with the rudder flopping from side to side when you dont want it to ...

It doesn't flop from side to side.  If when you set deadband to zero on your setup, you see this, you have major issues.   

In my case, I use a powered USB hub for my joystick and pedals.   Thus, I have stable and clean input signals from the hardware.  However, due to the construction of the input devices (CH Products), there will often be a small positive or negative input.  Deadband can be used to block these, but when using planes I prefer zero deadband for precise control.  So long as I am using the input devices, these small deviations are drowned out by my deliberate inputs (bank, roll, slip, etc.).  If I want to go hands-off the stick, I can use autopilot.  

MH

[hitech]

ah cc bustr I understand.  i cant be done.  oh well, it was just a dream ,


semp

semp, what do you think cant be done? You ask how to change modes during flight, it is very easy to do.

HiTech

[guncrasher]

semp, what do you think cant be done? You ask how to change modes during flight, it is very easy to do.

HiTech

it's a joke boss.  it's hard for me to understand complicated written instructions like the ones bustr wrote.  I understand that there's a way to do it within a game like you and him explained it but I'll try to figure it out some how.   .


semp

[bustr]

Keyboard Mapper:

Mode1 ctrl_left arrow
Mode2 ctrl_up arrow
Mode3 ctrl_right arrow
Mode4 ctrl_down arrow

Controller Mapper:

CH Throttel

Select Mode1 from Mode dropdown.
Mode1
Button13 - Mode2

Select Mode2 from Mode dropdown.
Mode2
Button13 - Mode3

Select Mode3 from Mode dropdown.
Mode3
Button13 - Mode4

Select Mode4 from Mode dropdown.
Mode4
Button13 - Mode1

One button cycles all 4 modes. Or any button you choose if the Control Manager shows it to you in the game as your single button number in each Mode - Mode1, Mode2, Mode3, Mode4.

[morfiend]

It doesn't flop from side to side.  If when you set deadband to zero on your setup, you see this, you have major issues.  

In my case, I use a powered USB hub for my joystick and pedals.   Thus, I have stable and clean input signals from the hardware.  However, due to the construction of the input devices (CH Products), there will often be a small positive or negative input.  Deadband can be used to block these, but when using planes I prefer zero deadband for precise control.  So long as I am using the input devices, these small deviations are drowned out by my deliberate inputs (bank, roll, slip, etc.).  If I want to go hands-off the stick, I can use autopilot.  

MH

  Tdeacon,

  I think you can accomplish this by enabling scaling and adjusting the scaling for the mode and axis you want.
  You can "dampen" the responces by moving the sliders to the bottom end of their movement, so if you want mode 2 z axis scaled to respond somewhat less move the sliders from left to right lower.

  You can choose a parabolic curve or a stairstep type curve and this will essentially dampen the movements and you wont have to worry about the deadpan and/or dampening sliders.

  This may take some experimenting until you get what you'd like but once set it will stay set to the scaling that works best for you!      More than 1 way to skin a cat,HTC likely has too much on his mind to point out this.

  YMMV.     and hope this helps



    

[RTHolmes]

that sounds how I do it:

global: no damping, and juuust enough deadband to eliminate drift/spiking/crosscontrol on all axes.

linear scaling for aircraft and really flat geometric scaling for GVs on all axes (maybe 20% control at 50% input). the fine control either side of centre is essential for aiming and helps with driving too.

[TDeacon]

Thanks Morfiend; excellent suggestion; works perfectly.  

In both cases, I get a deadband effect by adjusting the sliders as you suggest, even though the deadband setting is set to zero / no deadband.  In particular, for Mode 2 only (GVs), I set the first scaling slider on the left (1-10%) to zero.  My Mode 1 left slider (planes) remains as previously, with a non-zero setting.  

MH

[morfiend]

 Glad it helped.

   I read this thread and thought it was mentioned but came back and saw that no one explained how to do what you wanted without using dampening.

 I know when I used an X52 stick I had to do a similar type thing as it was just too twitchy in GV modes!



   

[TDeacon]

Of course as a follow-up to this, one could still suggest that HTC either eliminate the deadband slider as redundant, or allow its settings to be saved to specific modes.  Until they get time to do this, however, it's good to know there's a workaround using the sliders, which *can* be saved to specific modes.

MH

[morfiend]

 Ahh but the sliders for deadpan and dampening arent redundant.  I still need to use some dampening on certain controlers,say like my pedals,this can help me "not" receive the do not move controls so rapidly.


  I do agree with you in that it would be nice to be able to save the settings for these sliders in the different modes,however there are work arounds that have been working for me for years!