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Offline Melvin

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 06:03:44 PM »
This weapon was manufactured in England by the Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) factory under licence from Browning but modified to fire from an open bolt.  (Image removed from quote.)

It is my understanding that when the original Browning 1919 .30 cal was converted from a water-cooled to air-cooled weapon, the design was also permanently changed to fire from an open bolt. This was due to the fact that a weapon could "cook off" rounds in a closed bolt environment due to heat buildup.

Major modifications that the Brits did to both the Vickers and BSA manufactured weapons include chrome lining the muzzle extension to prevent fouling from heavy use, and adding cooling fins.





They are not terrified of guns in Britain, they just have a different place in the culture and history.



Edited to not start an argument...

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 08:34:58 PM »
as do we. :rolleyes:
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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 02:09:59 AM »
I like firearms as much as the next cowboy, I was not objecting to them nor to the merits or drawbacks of the widespread existence of firearms in a particular culture. What I can do without is the ignorant and condescending smugness towards cultures that have collectively decided not to retain the widespread distribution of firearms.


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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 04:13:14 AM »
as do we. :rolleyes:

Yes, yes, we know.

This is why so many Euros salivate profusely at the sight of some ignorant Cowboy's arsenal. Because they collectively decided that they shouldn't be allowed.

Talk about condescending. This topic is going way off the reservation.
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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 08:30:15 AM »
Yes, yes, we know.

you may understand but apparently many of your countrymen do not.

they think firearms are banned in the UK. wrong.

most of my friends have shot a range of guns during their lives. I have legally shot .22 and .303 rifles alot, shotguns a few times and a bren gun once (that was fun.) and I live in a city. some of my UK squaddies own firearms, if I lived in the country I would too.

what do the cowboys think we hunt deer, rabbits and birds with? harsh language?

we do have restrictions on the classes of firearms that you can own, as I understand you do too. they are just different.


btw anyone who isnt scared of firearms is an idiot.
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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 11:28:30 AM »

You're mad aren't you Bill, you want bust some caps in my arse don't you? 
 :banana:

This wasn't directed at you bud. Yes actually I would like to own a gun collection, just as a hobby, but on the other hand I'm glad I don't need to think about needing a firearm for self defense.

Swings and roundabouts.
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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 11:49:04 AM »

Could some of you cowboys try to make an effort and at least not be so proud of your ignorance. They are not terrified of guns in Britain, they just have a different place in the culture and history.



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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 12:53:46 PM »
"It was once believed that an infinite number of monkeys, typing on an infinite number of keyboards, would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. However, with the advent of Internet messageboards we now know this is not the case."

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 01:53:45 PM »
You don't need one of those either. Try to be more original than implying hypocrisy.

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2012, 01:55:32 PM »
The advantage of having a national service, is that you fire many types of weapons , and realize you dont need them at home.
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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2012, 03:59:14 PM »
In many american large cities you will hear gunfire at night. Usualy the denizins pulling the trigger are in a well known part of the city and common sense is most of what's needed to never meet said desnizins. Many of those cities don't care if you have a large gun collection if you keep it to yourself, the range, hunting, and pay your proper federal taxes and federal registration for fully automatic firearms and silencers. They start caring when you discharge one of your collection inside of their jurisdiction without a really good reason.

Here in oakland ca where I live near the center of the city off of Lake Merrit park. You hear gunfire all year round. Primarily the denizins altercating over criminal activities and their presumed perogitives to territory, bad deals or they insulted each others woo woos. In my middel class area of oakland the only reason they stray in here is for BnE, larceny, smash n grab and pan handeling.

California law says nothing about my firearms collection as long as I store it safely and shoot at ranges, hunting, or after dark inside of my home at an intruder. Fortunately the denizins prefer shooting at each other a few miles away at night having no interest in me or my family.

Our countries are different and we should leave it at that. If we all lived in the middel of africa in lion country and had to walk everywhere, we would go armed or be on the menu with all the other prey in the area. You would accept the need to be armed the same as a carpenter needs his tools to survive. In america we have a vastly larger population over a larger land mass with more opportunities becasue of that for the proverbial stuff to hit the fan. And in most regions our laws and history support us as individuals protecting our lives with firearms or deadly force.

We are different cultures with different legal traditions making these kinds of arguments emberrasing for both parties. I doubt Parliment is going to pass legislation disarming america becasue our guns are 3001 miles too close to Breat Britian. Just as our 2nd Amendmant was recently upheld in the supreme court via the Heller decision.
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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 04:10:01 PM »
...Our countries are different and we should leave it at that...


Well said bustr  :salute

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2012, 04:46:33 PM »
You're mad aren't you Bill, you want bust some caps in my arse don't you? 

Be careful nrshida, I may have to call you out to Main street for a gunfight at high-noon.

Of course, you would be unarmed and would show up five hours early.  :neener:



btw anyone who isnt scared of firearms is an idiot.

This statement is very telling of your (and I'm afraid many European's) understanding of firearms.

You see, I fear no firearm. Why? Because there isn't a gun in the world that will jump up off the table and attack me of its own volition. What one needs to be leery of is a gun with an idiot or someone meaning harm behind it.

You Euros claim to be so open-minded and lovers of freedom, why don't you just come out and embrace the John Wayne within.

Grab a gun and blow something to pieces. If only for the fun of it.

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2012, 04:54:41 PM »
Stop it! Just stop it!

Melvin, go shoot some cans or something. Holmes, go hit a pillow.

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Re: Spitfire gun
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2012, 04:57:20 PM »
btw anyone who isnt scared of firearms is an idiot.

I'm not scared of firearms. They're just tools. I am however rather scared of idiots holding firearms.
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