Spitfire gun

[LCADolby]

Ever seen Hot Fuzz?

DS Andy Wainwright: You do know there are more guns in the country than there are in the city.
DS Andy Cartwright: Everyone and their mums is packin' round here!
Nicholas Angel: Like who?
DS Andy Wainwright: Farmers.
Nicholas Angel: Who else?
DS Andy Cartwright: Farmers' mums

 

[RTHolmes]

This statement is very telling of your (and I'm afraid many European's) understanding of firearms. etc

it should have been blindingly obvious that I wasnt talking about a firearm on its own, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were being deliberately obtuse.

Its been 25yrs+ since I did it last but I'm pretty sure I could still strip, clean and reassemble a lee enfield, and then hit a target at 300yd. I have a fairly good understanding of firearms.

I'd also wager that half the euros on this forum have shot a gun at some point in their lives, many of them regularly.


the point is we both have gun control, and we've both as societies decided on the nature of our gun control. why does it bother you so much what we've decided we want?  

[AHTbolt]

Dang how about that Spitfire gun pretty neat.

[nrshida]

Be careful nrshida, I may have to call you out to Main street for a gunfight at high-noon.

Of course, you would be unarmed and would show up five hours early. 

I know Kirk Fu. 

You see, I fear no firearm. Why? Because there isn't a gun in the world that will jump up off the table and attack me of its own volition. What one needs to be leery of is a gun with an idiot or someone meaning harm behind it.

You're forgetting the Nambu Type 94 

You Euros claim to be so open-minded and lovers of freedom, why don't you just come out and embrace the John Wayne within.

Grab a gun and blow something to pieces. If only for the fun of it.

 

Once I got an air rifle and fitted a new spring and seal kit to it. I didn't really know what I was doing and I reasoned: it's a pneumatic system, so I used vacuum grease all over the place in the rebuild. My first target was a coke can, suspended from a tree on a piece of string. When I fired there was a huge bang and the coke can had wrapped itself around the branch. I was really confused because when I broke the barrel open I couldn't see light, so I thought I'd broken something and the pellet had become stuck in the barrel, but then the can was still swinging.  Eventually I blew down the barrel and a load of blueish smoke came out. The grease had ignited with the compression and sent the pellet out a bit quick.

Later I found a small blob of grease in the back of each pellet did the same. I told Hlbly about this and he did extensive research, later telling me that certain types of grease gave a tracer effect 

I'm not scared of firearms. They're just tools. I am however rather scared of idiots holding firearms.

Guns are the inverse of ABS in cars. Anything which makes an idiot a lot more dangerous is not such a good idea.

[bustr]

nrshida,

If you think about it neither guns nor ideots are the problem.

It's when one group of humans decides to use the guns to force the ideots(other group of humans) to give up their equal god given rights becasue they have suddenly been dehuminsed by being declaired ideots. This happens in the blink of an eye by those who beleive they are superior by the virtue of being more intelligent , thus responsible enough to label the others ideots or lesser human beings.

Next thing you know you have laws and regulations that make it almost impossible to exist as a free human being if you are declaired one of the ideots by the smart group who has all of the guns. The only place that hasen't happened yet in varying degrees becasue Freedom of Speech and The right to Keep and Bare Arms are the first 2 Laws of the Land is the United States.

I think our current presidential ellection is a referendum on whether most of the american population are ideots after 229 years. And if the 20% who identify themselves as the intelligent ones should Rule america for the next 100 years or so becasue they beleive they are responsible enough to label the rest of the american population ideots.

As I said our two cultures are different and the ability to preserve our lives and freedom by force of arms is a very real and daily action many of us act upon. It is the birth right of all free human beings as declared in the preamble to our american constitution. Our media only lets you see america how they want you to see it based on being members of the self proclaimed  intelligent 20 percent. We live in very different worlds the ideots and 20 percenters, and so you and I. I lived in Luton when I was 4 and 5.

Personaly this November I'm voting for the ideots. Since 1783 the ideots haven't done a bad job keeping those who choose to be armed outfitted and all of us free.

This whole American rights versus British rights is rediculous. We are both free to imigrate to each others nation and become citizens if we want. What could be better.......I have to admit I like Rugby when I find it on the world sports channels. Excellent test of rugged endurance and team work. New Zealand and Wales have good teams while america would do better if it was a national identity sport. Too many of our U.S. Pro Athletes are spoiled millionairs and thug lifers. I can watch world class thug life for free here in Oakland california but, then I may need recourse to my 2nd Amendment protected right as the cost of admission to watch if I get too close.

Yo MoFo Who you Lookin at Mufuer........you wanna cap in yo bleep!

[Melvin]

I have a fairly good understanding of firearms.
[/quote]

I'd say your understanding is rudimentary, at best. Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to know what you're talking about. You only know what The Crown allows.

I know Kirk Fu.  

  Oh, and by the way... ABS sucks too.

[LCADolby]

You only know what The Crown allows.

[PR3D4TOR]

Melvin, not wanting to get between you two, but there is one factor you need to consider. Most Euro countries have conscription, so most males have the experience of a year or more of military service. Switzerland has the most heavily armed population of any country in the world with an assault rifle in more or less every home, since every able bodied male is enrolled in their militia after finishing military service.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yK5DH8iknQ

They also have gun clubs for kids... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unN-Fp-wuMM

Just sayin.

[nrshida]

If you think about it neither guns nor ideots are the problem...

Well respectfully I think that's a different discussion. You're now talking about the merits of a widespread distribution of firearms throughout a population with the implication of said population being able to overthrow a tyrannical government if necessary, which is a nice idea in theory.

What I simply meant was that a gun doesn't require a lot of skill or intelligence to make you extremely dangerous. Please don't paint me as an arrogant supremacist, I was the third person here to mention the gun-idiot combination. I said nothing about an intelligentsia dictating to the less well equipped and am well aware of the dangers of those who seek power.

If I understand Bustr correctly, your society protects innocent citizens from 'dangerous and irresponsible' people armed with firearms essentially by allowing you to be armed with firearms and Britain does it by removing or restricting the firearms from the population. I know this is an abhorrent concept for you fellows, but imagine a regular police force not needing to carry pistols 


This whole vein of conversation by the way, was sparked by some of your cowboys scoffing at that choice. So  basically.

I'd say your understanding is rudimentary, at best. Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to know what you're talking about. You only know what The Crown allows.

  Ha ha ha, no I do Bill, honestly, especially about the technical & design issues. 'The Crown' doesn't restrict this kind of information (besides, I no longer live there lolz). John Browning is one of my design heroes, Eugene Stoner also. I've not kept up with assault rifles in the last ten years or so but go ahead, ask me anything.


Yes ABS does suck if you are a 'driver' but conversely I'm glad most cars are fitted with it. Can I get away with saying that without appearing arrogant?


By the way: I myself am just seeing this as an interesting discussion, not an argument to be won. If you really want me to not poke at the most sacred underbelly of your culture then a simple 'Klaatu Barada Nikto' will do it 

[RTHolmes]

Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to know what you're talking about. You only know what The Crown allows.

we havent done what "The Crown" tells us for almost 500yrs. I really dont need to insult you're intelligence as long as you keep typing ...

[PR3D4TOR]

Just stop it...

[nrshida]

Yes. Can't we all just get along? 

[LCADolby]

Yes. Can't we all just get along? 

Only if the crown says we are allowed to.

[nrshida]

I like Predator, he seems very wise and knowledgeable. Please don't shoot him. 

[PR3D4TOR]

Hit me with the pillow instead