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I guess thats why co pilots are so necessary

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In the most likely scenario for the cause, would a co-pilot have had any effect?  It sounds like the plane suffered from depressurization and the pilot passed out from lack of oxygen.  Remember about 10-12 years ago, Payne Stewart died after suffering from lack of oxygen when the plane he was a passenger in suffered depressurization and crashed.  That plane had a full flight crew and still crashed, so I don't think having a co-pilot would have necessarily changed things.

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I would think they wouldn't both pass out at the same time, i'm not sure, I would think that if one went out the other could dive down or do something, but at that altitude I wouldn't bet on it...
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Helios Flight 522 (a Boeing 737) had a slow decompression that incapacitated the flight crew and passengers. 1 flight attendant made his way into the cockpit before he also passed out. Plane crashed outside of Athens and all were killed. Point being, unless you have a sudden decompression you probably wouldn't realise something was wrong before it was too late.

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In the most likely scenario for the cause, would a co-pilot have had any effect?  It sounds like the plane suffered from depressurization and the pilot passed out from lack of oxygen.  Remember about 10-12 years ago, Payne Stewart died after suffering from lack of oxygen when the plane he was a passenger in suffered depressurization and crashed.  That plane had a full flight crew and still crashed, so I don't think having a co-pilot would have necessarily changed things.

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I remember that!  I was home that day I think  I remember them tracking him and his plane till it went down,,   they died long before the crash tho  IMO!
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Rumor is now that it was a suicide.
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Here's a pilot who has very severe hypoxia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg
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I would think they wouldn't both pass out at the same time, i'm not sure, I would think that if one went out the other could dive down or do something, but at that altitude I wouldn't bet on it...

During decompression, before anything else (assuming you know it is happening i.e. rapid decompression) You need to get your oxygen mask on. From what I am told by my commercial pilot buddies, you only have a matter of seconds to get the mask on before falling unconscious. If you don't, everyone dies.
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Rumor is now that it was a suicide.
  well that is a stupid rumor!
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Re: Pilot incapacitated and plane circles Gulf of Mexico for several hours
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 09:27:44 PM »
Rumor is now that it was a suicide.

That's roadkill.  The aircraft had issues with the cabin pressure a few months back.  It was "fixed" and obviously something failed.  I am also based out of this same small field where the flight originated and the aircraft was based.
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Re: Pilot incapacitated and plane circles Gulf of Mexico for several hours
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 09:31:58 PM »
That's bull toejam.  The aircraft had issues with the cabin pressure a few months back.  It was "fixed" and obviously something failed.  I am also based out of this same small field where the flight originated and the aircraft was based.

That's just what I heard, wasn't trying to pass it as cold hard fact.
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Re: Pilot incapacitated and plane circles Gulf of Mexico for several hours
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 09:47:27 PM »
Why dont aircraft have some kind of system to detect when oxygen levels are dropping in a cockpit and sound a alarm?
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Re: Pilot incapacitated and plane circles Gulf of Mexico for several hours
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 10:04:55 PM »
They do. The problem lies that ones individual physiological reaction to hypoxia is unique. One of the problems is a sense of euphoria and well being the more it progresses so if your symptoms take hold before you have a chance to let your training kick in you'll possibly find yourself in a very poor situation.

Having never flown a 421 I'm not sure how their system works short of some very rudimentary basics so I can't comment. With a recent maintenance issue with the pressurization system it's not unheard of to have an undiscovered problem upon return to service.

Case in point, my last 2 trips to the service center for my airplane included the airplanes air/ground logic being confused. The stall warning and stick shakers were going off on the ground and even the satellite phone was acting weird. The problem was an unplugged squat switch that would/should be discovered on even the most basic return to service check. It wasn't.

The most recent I had the left engine pulled to replace all the seals and some ducts to rectify some high pressure bleed leaks that were an ongoing problem and band-aid fixes weren't cutting it. During the return to service checks it never came up to check the thrust reverser (a pretty simple pair of hydraulic actuators) were operating. On taxi out, the right was fine and the left was spazzing out for lack of a better phrase. After moving at a snails pace and my coworker and I rolling up our own sleeves to motivate the second shift weekend crew (not the varsity team) we got it bled and it worked fine.

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There's no way to know at this point the nature of the exact failure experienced in this case. It may never be known but my attention would be put on a pressurization issue not only because it was recently worked on but the nature of the behavior of the airplane during the course of the flight.

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Re: Pilot incapacitated and plane circles Gulf of Mexico for several hours
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 12:59:10 AM »
I've flown the 421 and wonder why he was at 28k feet.......unless it climbed after he lost consciousness.