88's Rotation speed & sighting?

[lyric1]

Having used these a few times in game a couple of things stick out. First off the rotation speed of the gun just using a watch it seems to take about 20 seconds to rotate the barrel 45 degrees in a clockwise/counterclockwise rotation in game.

Second sighting a target I have noticed in particular when shooting at tanks it is difficult to get an accurate firing solution on a target.

After looking at some Youtube videos of WWII era & some current videos of the 88's two things seem to be obvious. With these two videos even though they are filmed recently. I think they do show that the approximate rotation of 45 degrees,they seem to swing the gun a lot faster than our 20 seconds for the same traverse. Granted these films may not be accurate as I could not find WWII film showing the same types of movement.

I also could not find much online to prove or disprove my point here other than these two modern clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M6BUSkksrU

On the 88's that are used on ground targets there is clearly a sight on the right side of the gun it is used for targeting with the help of the range finder guy behind.

Should we have a similar set up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPLdRReUZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BooBKeXPXRY

[lyric1]

Sorry should have said 90 degrees not 45 degrees in my first post.

[Noir]

well the 88 had maybe a faster traverse, but I find ours efficient enough! Maybe it was a gameplay decision to limit the traverse?

[R 105]

 I never turned a German 88 but I have been on a US 3 inch 50 75MM anti aircraft gun that was mounted on a Coast Guard 180 foot buoy tender that was in Baltimore MD. I could turn it about three times faster than the 88 we have in the game. I am retired from the Army and was a range officer and armorer for years. I have had an opportunity to see many weapons systems from WWII to the early 80s to include German tanks like the Panther at the Patton museum at Ft. Knox that had a 360 degree turning top mounted MG 42.     

[Acidrain]

well the 88 had maybe a faster traverse, but I find ours efficient enough! Maybe it was a gameplay decision to limit the traverse?

that would be a slippery precedent and highly unecessary

[lyric1]

Our 88mm is way off.



http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/88mm-antiaircraft-gun-introduction.html

Sighting with 4X magnification.
A sketch with the actual view through sight.


http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/sighting-equipment-german-artillery-88mm.html

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/german-artillery-fire-control-equipment.html

Everything you need to know about this gun right here.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/index.html


I think a slight revision of this gun may be needed?

[Charge]

Traverse speed problem is very evident especially in field defense since the guns reside inside the target area and  when you are shooting bombers directly above and when they fly past the maximum elevation point you have to rotate the gun 180 deg to continue firing and that is the point of frustration due to slow traverse speed.

It would be nice indeed to have a switchable gear for movement e.g so that you would only have fine control on low gear -that is if there is a doubt of making it too effective...

-C+

[lyric1]

Traverse speed problem is very evident especially in field defense since the guns reside inside the target area and  when you are shooting bombers directly above and when they fly past the maximum elevation point you have to rotate the gun 180 deg to continue firing and that is the point of frustration due to slow traverse speed.

It would be nice indeed to have a switchable gear for movement e.g so that you would only have fine control on low gear -that is if there is a doubt of making it too effective...

-C+

That site on the 88's has so much good info as an example different rates of fire for AA & ground vehicles I think ours is the same for both.

[icepac]

It would be less of an issue if they weren't always pointed 180 degrees of where the targets are when you spawn in.

I found a tank firing on a field, spawned in, and found the tank had hit all but the gun I was in before I could swing the barrel 170 degrees.

He got the last gun just as I finished the traverse.

[SmokinLoon]

Our 88mm is way off.

(Image removed from quote.)

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/88mm-antiaircraft-gun-introduction.html

Sighting with 4X magnification.
A sketch with the actual view through sight.


http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/sighting-equipment-german-artillery-88mm.html

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/german-artillery-fire-control-equipment.html

Everything you need to know about this gun right here.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/index.html


I think a slight revision of this gun may be needed?

Which version of the 88mm do those stats represent?  If that is the same one as we have it seems to me that it is right on target with the 70 seconds for 360° traverse.  Remember, the 88's we have were/are first and foremost anti-aircraft guns.  They are stationary, there is no prime move to hoist them around the front lines.  I count ourselves luck to have not only the AP ability but to have 250 rounds at our disposal.  If anything, I'd like to see the 17 Pdr's have an increase in traverse.  Even though they are traversed manually (via man picking up the tongue and pivoting the entire chassis), I think it is a wee bit slow, ESPECIALLY since the guns are always pointing north when you hop in to them instead of pointing 180° out from center of the field. 

[Lusche]

Which version of the 88mm do those stats represent?  If that is the same one as we have it seems to me that it is right on target with the 70 seconds for 360° traverse. 

But that's the traverse in low-gear only...

[lyric1]

Which version of the 88mm do those stats represent?  If that is the same one as we have it seems to me that it is right on target with the 70 seconds for 360° traverse.  Remember, the 88's we have were/are first and foremost anti-aircraft guns.  They are stationary, there is no prime move to hoist them around the front lines.  I count ourselves luck to have not only the AP ability but to have 250 rounds at our disposal.  If anything, I'd like to see the 17 Pdr's have an increase in traverse.  Even though they are traversed manually (via man picking up the tongue and pivoting the entire chassis), I think it is a wee bit slow, ESPECIALLY since the guns are always pointing north when you hop in to them instead of pointing 180° out from center of the field. 

What model do we have in the game?