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Offline flakmgc

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Fuel Dump
« on: April 22, 2012, 03:50:13 PM »
I wish there was the option to hit a "fuel jettison" button in game to lighten the load. Need it be for early engagements or to trim back to get home from an oil hit. I work at an F-15 base and everytime there is an emergency the crew has to dump to a safe weight..OR if plans change on the mission they dump. It would be a neat feature. Also, interesting for some who poorly judge the dump and have to rtb with 3 bogeys on their tail. Cya! FLAK  :rock
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Offline RedBull1

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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 05:02:18 PM »
I know there's Fuel Jettison on almost all modern aircraft, but I dont know if they had it in WWII  :headscratch:
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2012, 05:03:56 PM »
Take a drop tank or two with a reduced internal fuel load and you can jettison them as needed.

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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2012, 05:14:34 PM »
That or fly near base ack in an F4U or P47...  you're guaranteed a main fuel hit.
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2012, 05:35:03 PM »
I know there's Fuel Jettison on almost all modern aircraft, but I dont know if they had it in WWII  :headscratch:
Very few WWII aircraft had that capability.
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2012, 05:40:23 PM »
I know there's Fuel Jettison on almost all modern aircraft, but I dont know if they had it in WWII  :headscratch:

Most modern aircraft do not have the ability to dump fuel.

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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2012, 05:41:32 PM »
plan ahead.

that reminds me of this p47 fully loaded with rockets and bombs that I got into a fight over the mountains.  he got really low and we were fighting in a "bowl".  he dropped the ords, rockets and pulled the trigger trying to get rid of bullets to lighten his load even more.  his only mistake was in slowing the plane down so much to try to make my pony over shoot that I laughed when i saw him hit the mountain as he was too slow to go over the next hill.


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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2012, 05:44:25 PM »
Most modern aircraft do not have the ability to dump fuel.
I can think of a few dozen... just about any Airliner, 90% of US Navy/Air Force aircraft.... ???
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2012, 06:39:30 PM »
Just about every aircraft just short of GA aircraft have the ability to dump fuel. Even some cesnas have this ability. I sugest doing a little research before posting nonsense
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2012, 06:42:11 PM »
Just about every aircraft just short of GA aircraft have the ability to dump fuel. Even some cesnas have this ability. I sugest doing a little research before posting nonsense
^ much better said, Thank you  :lol
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2012, 09:35:11 PM »
Some of you gamers are forgetting that in WWII planes did not up with less than %100 in theater.  There is one single flight within my grandfather's flight logs that he took off with less than %100 fuel and that was to ferry B17's from one base to another (Phoenix to San Fran, iirc).  In the PTO, thanks to the vast open areas between airfield (and land) fuel and range was a huge concern.  Planes did not up with %50 and a DT.  In many cases our fighters did not jettison empty DT's if they didnt have to and not always did they jettison DT's once enemy contact was made.  There comes a point in time where HTC needs to say "enough is enough", and I hope this is one of them.  Being able to take %50 and a DT is already gamey enough.

In AH, the number of people who really truly believe that them being in X plane w/ %50 is going to be that much better vs the same plane with %75 fuel is amazing.  Sure, there are subtle advantages but like the fools that empty their "worthless" MG's in the 110's, 190's, Mossi's, and other such planes "for the extra performance", I say that if you need that extra  hundred pounds or 2 to survive then you shouldn't have been in that predicament in the first place. 

oh.. if I didnt say it already I vote not only no, but F no.   :D

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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2012, 10:33:14 PM »
Some of you gamers are forgetting that in WWII planes did not up with less than %100 in theater.  There is one single flight within my grandfather's flight logs that he took off with less than %100 fuel and that was to ferry B17's from one base to another (Phoenix to San Fran, iirc).  In the PTO, thanks to the vast open areas between airfield (and land) fuel and range was a huge concern.  Planes did not up with %50 and a DT.  In many cases our fighters did not jettison empty DT's if they didnt have to and not always did they jettison DT's once enemy contact was made.  There comes a point in time where HTC needs to say "enough is enough", and I hope this is one of them.  Being able to take %50 and a DT is already gamey enough.

In AH, the number of people who really truly believe that them being in X plane w/ %50 is going to be that much better vs the same plane with %75 fuel is amazing.  Sure, there are subtle advantages but like the fools that empty their "worthless" MG's in the 110's, 190's, Mossi's, and other such planes "for the extra performance", I say that if you need that extra  hundred pounds or 2 to survive then you shouldn't have been in that predicament in the first place. 

oh.. if I didnt say it already I vote not only no, but F no.   :D



how dare you make sense my grandpa flew f6f in the pacific.  you would get in trouble big time if you didnt have 100% fuel as that was an indication that you wanted to abort the mission and  comeback as soon as trouble was imminent due to your low fuel.


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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2012, 10:53:38 PM »
In AH, the number of people who really truly believe that them being in X plane w/ %50 is going to be that much better vs the same plane with %75 fuel is amazing.  Sure, there are subtle advantages but like the fools that empty their "worthless" MG's in the 110's, 190's, Mossi's, and other such planes "for the extra performance", I say that if you need that extra  hundred pounds or 2 to survive then you shouldn't have been in that predicament in the first place. 

oh.. if I didnt say it already I vote not only no, but F no.   :D



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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2012, 10:04:31 AM »
Some of you gamers are forgetting that in WWII planes did not up with less than %100 in theater.

I argued like you are in the past on these forums and I was proven wrong, maybe I can get Widewing to bring up the references he had earlier. Suffice to say, under most situations, you are correct but sometimes they did take less in combat.


In AH, the number of people who really truly believe that them being in X plane w/ %50 is going to be that much better vs the same plane with %75 fuel is amazing.  Sure, there are subtle advantages <SNIP>

In the P38J/L, every 25% internal is 615lbs, that is hardly subtle. Normally, I teach my P38 students to fight at 50% fuel whenever possible, usually by taking off with 75% fuel internally and burning that 615lbs on the way to the fight.
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Re: Fuel Dump
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 10:14:22 AM »
In the P38J/L, every 25% internal is 615lbs, that is hardly subtle. Normally, I teach my P38 students to fight at 50% fuel whenever possible, usually by taking off with 75% fuel internally and burning that 615lbs on the way to the fight.

Learning the fuel state for each aircraft is highly important, certain ones need 100% (la7) others like the P38 75% (this is assuming you are climbing out to at least 12k with a sector and half flight towards enemy field).

Normally I never take a drop tank unless its absolutely required, mainly because of the drag involved - for example a P-47 I take 75% and no DT.

If you are going to pick, the more fuel the better - dog fighters need  less then 75% at all times.
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