Upping perk cost of 163?

[Torquila]

It is interesting to see the 163 is finally fully living up to its purpose! Albiet more then half a century later and in a video game.

I say the 163 is responsible for the decline in the bomber attempts and culture in general around the map, and especially HQ/etc.

It breaks the time invested to reward expectation of the "game" paradigm, because you spent more then half an hour getting there and it climbs up to you in a manner of seconds. A good pilot in it can usually wipe out all 3 bombers almost no sweat.

AH needs a safer environment for Bombers to conduct their operations, unless it become a solely clandestine sort of thing for the hardcore squads, and upping the me163 perks to maybe 2-3 or even 4 times its current cost is what I imagine is a good approach.

Thoughts?

[Noir]

I say the 163 is responsible for the decline in the bomber attempts and culture in general around the map, and especially HQ/etc.

agreed

[clerick]

163 has been around longer than me and I don't see any evidence to support your notion that they have somehow become a bigger issue for buff pilots.

I'm not even sure there is a big decrease in HQ raids. Besides, if the 163 is pestering bombers, GOOD! That makes it one of the few planes doind what was designed to do IRL.

[Torquila]

I have the luxury of seeing before and after but it doesn't change anything.

Bombers presence can be a problem if they are unchecked, which is why the 163 should still be there, but its too easily available and has shifted the balance too far against bombers.

[clerick]

I have the luxury of seeing before and after but it doesn't change anything.
 
Bombers presence can be a problem if they are unchecked, which is why the 163 should still be there, but its too easily available and has shifted the balance too far against bombers.

I need more evidence then your anecdotes.

[Torquila]

Hold it!

Your honour, the prosecution is asking for evidence in a matter which they have a personal grudge. I would like to request that his objection be stricken from the log on those grounds.

Forums: "And what grounds are those?"

Take that!

"In my experience it is usually those most deserving who won't ask", this was a statement by the prosecution previously explaining his anecdotal summary of a situation, though a different one. It shows he clearly subscribes to the idea of experience and anecdotes as solid base for an arguement. It must be noted that the defence agrees with his idea and approach to situations, but thinks that it would serve everyone best to trust other people's experience as well!

Forums: "Hmm... I see where your going with this, any comments from the prosecution?"


Seems like its your turn, how bout some music for the mood?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdIlP488n14

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[Torquila]

FYI, im just having fun with you  

But I don't have any evidence to support my claims, even if I were to collect all the bomber missions/flights from previous to the 163 and post, and show it as a curve on a graph I don't think I can sell it to convince you of it. Maybe someone could make a good arguement about HTC adding formations to the game to offset the loss in active bombers sorties, or something like that, i dunno.

 

[Butcher]

The 163's primary purpose is to defend HQ in Aces High, in which its basic function is to give "Radar" for the entire country. Me-163's in my opinion is the best fighter in the game, able to out turn and out fly anything.

Given its perk value of usually around 50, I think it's genuinely fair.

[icepac]

Show up at an enemy horde with a 163 and they will instantly give up thier altitude.

Great for breaking up a high fighter cap.

[Rich52]

Since they were death traps in real life their perk price should reflect that. Im not saying 262 price but double what they are. And what they are are the most obnoxious little plane in the game. The last time I was on a HQ run I bet we lost 1/2 our bomber flight to boneheads ramming the bombers in 163s cause they dont know how to fly them. Ive never gone on a HQ run again after that. 50 perks is nothing for a good bomber kamakazi session. Its just the cost of a few vulches.

[Noir]

it is a fast, easy and cheap way to ruin someone's 1 hour mission. Not to mention the people that ruin conventional fights in it. Maybe the worst addition of aces high.

[Lusche]

I say the 163 is responsible for the decline in the bomber attempts and culture in general around the map, and especially HQ/etc.

I disagree.

The absolute majority of the time, 163's are not an issue at all. If there is a "decline (...) in general around the map", it's not the Komet's fault because it doesn't even appear. Bombers don't even bomb the strats on large maps with the 163 bases many sectors away, not even under prime conditions when the enemy strats are only 2 sectors away with a clear path of approach (as one could witness again last night on Ozkansas).

And for bombing HQ's, the 163's aren't "runing that" either. The main reason why HQ raids are undertaken so rarely is resupply. Usually The HQ is back up before the attackers have finished their "WTFG!" on country channel. Players can cope with fly one hour and being finally massacred by the enemy, but having their efforts totally made void before they typed ".ef" from the chute is the true major turn-off.


And for 163's ruining conventional fight's... how often happens that? Again, on most maps fighters don't come even close to ever see a 163. Only on some small maps (namely uterus & mindanao) frontlines come close enough, but then a player can still chose simply not to fly there. The Komet is pretty much rnage limited, ya know?  
For the record, in all of 2011, the Me 163 was responsible for 0.13% of all fighter deaths (0.82% for bombers). With one in thousand fighters getting shot down by a 163, it doesn't look like a lot of fights had been ruined

[Karnak]

The only Mosquito Mk XVI I have lost was to a Me163.  I wasn't attacking the HQ either, just the city.  I was intercepted when at 28,000ft and moving at 400mph.  Based on that experience, I no longer attempt any attack on the city on that map as it is simply a waste of time because the Me163s will simply swarm you.  With the Mosquito I at least got my bomb on target before dying, but a slower bomber at lower altitude may well have failed to do even that.

[SlipKnt]

I prefer to take the B17 where there is a 163 threat.  I'll even take a fighter escort or two.  True, the strats or HQ is usually resupplied before you get a couple sectors out if you are lucky enough to make it out.

Honestly, I enjoy both sides of it.  I enjoy taking shots at strats and HQ.  I also enjoy taking the 163 up and trying to knock bombers out with it.  I have also been schooled by a 163 in a dog fight (I was in a Brewster). 

Depends on the skill level of the pilot.  Me for instance, when in a 163 usually run out of ammo before I knock all 3 out.  I have been taken out in one pass by one also.

No need to change anything IMHO.

[Lusche]

/hijack

True, the strats or HQ is usually resupplied before you get a couple sectors out

HQ yes.

Strats - Only by auto resupply, and that only for factories when City is up. City itself stays down for 6 hours.

/hijack off