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Offline Zexx

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SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« on: April 23, 2012, 11:17:53 AM »
I love the cross section of ground vehicles available in Aces high. I think that their accuracy in capability ( as frustrating as it can be sometimes) is superb based on historical information. This why I think Adding the SDKfZ 234/2 "Puma" to the Vehicle fleet in Aces High to offset the M-8 "Greyhound" would be a compliment.:pray All though historically superior to the Greyhound in many respects (larger gun, slightly thicker frontal armor, etc.) Both were used as advanced Calvary scouts and forward observation or light Recon.   What  does everyone think?
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 11:22:18 AM »
I have two or three threads on it, I would love to see the Puma - it would be more of a threat then the M8 ever will be.

the L/60 gun is enough to knock out any but the heaviest tanks in the side/rear easily, that with high speed it would be quite useful.

I know Tull from the 367th auger's just thinking about it :)
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 11:38:05 AM »
I should have researched the threads more intensely before making this request and just added my reply to your threads ( and knowing is half the battle no?). Whatever the case I agree. The L/60 is completely capable of taking on slightly heavier armored threats. I would dare compare the "Puma" to the Modern M2A2 Bradley(Sans Tracks, TOWS, and Troop compliment [depending on variant], Stryker, LAV-25, BTR-70.  Plus I think the Puma is just ...well.. elegant-very elegant compared to its counterpart the M-8 given the design, chassis, and aesthetic look.



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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 11:57:12 AM »
Quote from: Butcher on April 23, 2012, 11:22:18 AM
I have two or three threads on it, I would love to see the Puma - it would be more of a threat then the M8 ever will be.

the L/60 gun is enough to knock out any but the heaviest tanks in the side/rear easily, that with high speed it would be quite useful.

I know Tull from the 367th auger's just thinking about it :)

I'm not so sure the SDKfz 234/2 "Puma" would be any more of a threat than the M8 Greyhound.  The Puma maxes out at 42mph, has 30mm of armor of front, and its 50mm KwK39 L/60 can penetrate 57mm of armor at 500 yards and 44mm of armor at 1000 yards.  While it does have a better main gun than the M8, it really isnt any more of a threat.  When an M8 is shooting at you from the flank does anyone currently ignore it?   :aok  Other than the 50mm main gun it has a co-axial MG, no pintle or hull MG.  I think it would be almost a wash with regards to impact to AH game play.

I'd rather see more EW tanks, and maybe some SPG's for long range arty work (similar to land mode with naval guns).             
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »


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I'd rather see more EW tanks, and maybe some SPG's for long range arty work (similar to land mode with naval guns).             

Self propelled guns or even a jeep with a 107mm recoiless Rifle would be great addition, and definitely enhance game play between Air ops and ground ops. However seeing that is a Air Combat Simulation Game... I think that would be "file 13'd". Still running gun matches between the m-8 and SDkfz Puma would be fun to partake in...
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 12:31:58 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on April 23, 2012, 11:57:12 AM
I think it would be almost a wash with regards to impact to AH game play.

I'd rather see more EW tanks, and maybe some SPG's for long range arty work (similar to land mode with naval guns).             

The Puma would have one shot capability on the side armor vs multiple shots required from less then 500 yards in an M8. I think the impact would be higher then you think.

Not to the levels of an M-18, but then again the M-18 is perked for a reason, the Puma would be 20-30 eny.
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 12:52:34 PM »
+1 to the Puma
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 07:17:25 PM »
+1, we need more armoured scout vehicles.
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 09:11:31 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on April 23, 2012, 11:57:12 AM
I'm not so sure the SDKfz 234/2 "Puma" would be any more of a threat than the M8 Greyhound.  The Puma maxes out at 42mph, has 30mm of armor of front, and its 50mm KwK39 L/60 can penetrate 57mm of armor at 500 yards and 44mm of armor at 1000 yards.  While it does have a better main gun than the M8, it really isnt any more of a threat.  When an M8 is shooting at you from the flank does anyone currently ignore it?   :aok  Other than the 50mm main gun it has a co-axial MG, no pintle or hull MG.  I think it would be almost a wash with regards to impact to AH game play.

I'd rather see more EW tanks, and maybe some SPG's for long range arty work (similar to land mode with naval guns).             

The above in red is exactly why it would be a threat. I assume those are fairly correct numbers, and if accurate, would provide an enormous "punch" VS the M8.
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 09:44:07 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on April 23, 2012, 11:57:12 AM
I'm not so sure the SDKfz 234/2 "Puma" would be any more of a threat than the M8 Greyhound.  The Puma maxes out at 42mph, has 30mm of armor of front, and its 50mm KwK39 L/60 can penetrate 57mm of armor at 500 yards and 44mm of armor at 1000 yards.  While it does have a better main gun than the M8, it really isnt any more of a threat.  When an M8 is shooting at you from the flank does anyone currently ignore it?   :aok  Other than the 50mm main gun it has a co-axial MG, no pintle or hull MG.  I think it would be almost a wash with regards to impact to AH game play.

I'd rather see more EW tanks, and maybe some SPG's for long range arty work (similar to land mode with naval guns).

The source  I use (has been very reliable thus far) states that the 50mm L'60 is capable of ~58mm of penetration at 30 degrees slope at 500m, and 45mm of penetration at 30 degrees slope at 1000m.

Even just at line of sight thickness (less than the effective thickness), we get 68mm of penetration and 51mm of penetration respectivly.


With PzGr. 40 (APCR), we're seeing numbers like 130mm penetration at 30 degrees slope at 100m, and 72mm penetration at 30 degrees slope at 500m.

Again, at just LOS thickness, we have 150mm and 83mm respectivly.



Now, lets just stop and think for a second. 150mm of penetration. Thats enough to penetrate the front of any tank in the game but the Tiger II, and even the Tiger II's gun mantle.

Side armor is only about what, 60mm on average including the rarer more heavily armored tanks like the Tiger I and II? This means that the Puma can engage targets from the sides at ranges upto about 1200m if the charts I'm using are accurate.

Considering that most targets are going to be Panzer IV's and M4's, with only about 30mm of armor on the side, that range is increased to 1500 yds
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 10:29:31 PM »
I would like to see any variant of the 234.  They all would be fun and would see use. 
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 06:28:13 AM »
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Re: SDkfZ 234/2 Puma as a Vehicle choice to compliment the M-8 "greyhound"
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 10:37:32 AM »
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