Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"

[icepac]

This is what I suggested.

1.   WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.



2.   Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.

So this isn't possible now...........even though it was in the past?

[ROC]

Did you read Jimsons post?  It is possible, it's manual.  Are you suggesting it was automatic in the past?  It wasn't.  Jimson is right.  Now the question is, what is the result of the AvA team setting up a manual effort to satisfy what you are asking them to do? Are you going to insure they have a far larger turnout?  If you are asking them to put in their time and effort to do this, what are you going to do to support it?  Just show up? If it worked so well in the past, why did it change?  Clearly the huge population in the AvA was happy and there was no need to try other things...

You'd be surprised how many players think it's easy, or if the set up guys would just listen to them, but frankly, quite a bit of effort has been made addressing peoples ideas for years.  I don't see a marked increase of numbers, and oddly enough I saw little support by the very players that had their ideas implemented.

It's easy to tell someone else what they should do, but what are you putting forward to make it worth their effort?  Are you saying if they did this you would make sure 200 people showed up to make the effort worth it?  If not, you are just talking and using someone else's time to float an idea. If it doesn't work, no skin off your back, you didn't put anything into it.  

Jimson said it was Manual.  You said it worked on 2 other sims.  If you want it automated, then that needs to recode the game.  This is what I addressed.  

[Chilli]

Icepac,

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being compared to a Special Events Arena.  Second, how many folks, do you think, would populate an arena with no late war rides, for any length of time?    < Looks at Early War Main Arena.....  Even there you have a wide spread of period aircraft to choose.

Not that your ideas are not good ones, just that you don't understand the problems of implementing your style of AvA as opposed to niche that their staff has filled.

• 2 sided maps that can only be placed on the server manually
• selection of various elements, equipment and maps to facilitate historically inspired combat
• matchups between Spit I / Hurricane I against Bf109s and Bf110s, heavily favor one side
• coding does NOT exist to support winning a war resulting in any progression of new events (like map change, plane model and field changes)
• presently the arena, offers access to quick air to air or ground combat, with good 1 vs 1 matchups
• THE ONLY THINGS that the AvA does NOT have available that other 24 hours arenas do, are front page announcement of Top Pilots for the month and perk points.
• manual attention to the servers takes a dedicated staff of volunteers, who are doing a magnificent job
• you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink  - - go to any populated arena grab 2 or 3 others that are willing to "have fun" in another arena and make an announcement on 200 of what you are doing.  Hang out there for more than 30 minutes exploring the map and/ or fighting each other.  Then notice how many other folks pop in and join you.  You will find that their is NOTHING wrong with the arena, besides its lack of participants.

[icepac]

What I suggested is easily possible or the main arena would not run.

I'll restate it again.

1.   WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.

2.   Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.
It's as simple as that.

[Lusche]

I've checked the arena multiple times for almost every day of the last year and I've only seen 1 person in there on only a couple of occasions...........then I go to another sim and fly a true axis vs allies arena.

What makes you think there will be more people in it then?

[icepac]

Because I have checked it every single day multiple times for an entire year.

It sits empty.

It is impossible for it go get any emptier.

As far as I am concerned, discussing accuracy of flight modeling, damage modeling, and gunnery modeling are useless if there is no attempt at some sort of accurate modeling of the war itself.

What I suggested brings this missing element.

[Lusche]

Because I have checked it every single day multiple times for an entire year.

It sits empty.

It is impossible for it go get any emptier.

Unfortunately this won't change with your proposal as well.

I have seen about any possible setup in the AvA, including rolling planesets very similar (or almost identical) to your proposal. None did "work" in the sense of AvA getting bigger numbers on a consistent base. I have seen lot's of "I would go there if the setup was like XYZ", and when some AvA admins gave in and worked something out... they didn't go there.

And one reason why a rolling planeset for the would hardly work for the war are the glaring wholes in the planesets. Many time periods would be vastly unbalanced. And you can't improve player numbers by making an arena even less attractive

[ROC]

What I suggested is easily possible or the main arena would not run.

You are not paying attention at all lol
Have a wonderful day

[Karnak]

icepac,

If you do the rolling planeset as Axis vs Allies you end up with severe imbalances in the planeset and tankset.

M3 M4A3(75) M4A3(76) M8 M16 Sherman VC 'Firefly' T-34/76 T-34/86

VS.

Panther V G Panzer IV D/F Panzer IV H SdKfz 251/1 Tiger I Tiger II

And

B-17G B-24J B-25C B-26B B-29A Boston Mk III Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk XVI

VS.

Ar234B G4M1 Ju87D-5 Ju88A-4 Ki-67

And

A-20G B-25H F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 Il-2 Mosquito Mk VI P-38H P-38J P-38L P-40N P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47N P-51D Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib

VS.

Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fw190A-8 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-5 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-84-Ia Me410 N1K2-J

And lastly

F4F-3 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 SBD-5 Seafire Mk II SBD-5 TBM-3

VS.

A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1

The Axis might do well on the ground, but they will get absolutely thrashed in terms of bombers, strike aircraft and carrier combat.

[Daddkev]

  How did the Axis lose the war? 

[Raphael]

AvA is awesome. perhaps some game developing on more dynamic targets (like AI convoys not only those fast resups we have now) would have nice effects on the numbers.
Anyway, you get the best fights there and the nicest people too.

[jimson]

What I suggested is easily possible or the main arena would not run.

Let me try to point out the limitations we have. The main arena has only a few different maps on the server. Base capture triggers a war win and map rotation. It is random. It always defaults to a three country setup with all countries equipment enabled.

The mechanism is no different in AvA. It too always defaults to a three country set up. Also we have nearly every map ever created on the server and if we set it for a win the war rotation we have no control over which map it will rotate to.

If we start with Battle of Britain and that map is won it could rotate to the training arena map or a racing league map without an Axis vs Allies playable plane set.

There is nothing we can do that will defeat the default main arena three country mechanism in order to use those automatic tools.

Also, the only mechanism that can trigger such a win the war reset is base capture and even if we could do that people will then start saying it should be renamed the Main Arena 3.

Ideally, we would be able to do these things along with setting different parameters than strictly base capture for a win the war rotation.

We have inquired about it and as best as I can understand it would require an extensive re-write of both the server code and client code.

So understanding that everything we do has to be by manual intervention of an administrator We can discuss how things can be done without requiring a huge number of man hours.

[USRanger]

How come the players that have never been seen in the AvA always know how to "fix" it?  Some might consider 8-10 players in an arena as empty.  I'll take the quality of the fights you find with that 8-10 players over the MA arcade any day.

[Raphael]

How come the players that have never been seen in the AvA always know how to "fix" it?  Some might consider 8-10 players in an arena as empty.  I'll take the quality of the fights you find with that 8-10 players over the MA arcade any day.

QFT
Btw thank you for all the work all the staff does to keep the AvA great.

[captain1ma]

well lets see, we have Tuesday night Staff squad nights. we have Thursday night missions, when i can put them together. we cross post the AVA in this forum, what else can we do. maybe icepac should get his friends together and come in and we'd be happy to help him out as far as what setups he'd like to see, and it would probably draw more players the longer he stays.