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Offline Zacherof

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Ki-84 high octane gas
« on: May 01, 2012, 05:32:09 PM »
Wheres my high octane gas for my hayate?????? I would pay 20 perks for each barrel.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 07:04:30 PM »
I mean the Ki was historically faster than the p51 and p47 at low to medium altitudes. but only with 150 octane gas which japan didnt have alot of hence the perks
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 09:04:29 PM »
Because the Japanese didn't produce high octane aviation fuel, they were unable to do so. The Japanese had enough problems during the war, a shortage of oil is what brought on the war (and other items).

The factories and Refinaries were in a bad situation, a lack of resources was a major problem where the american's were able to simply convert automobile factories to produce tanks and aircraft at an outstanding rate.

If you look at the production changes of the Japanese vs America you'd be quite surprised, I believe the Americans pumped out in 1942 more pilots then the Japanese did in the entire war.

This topic can go on and on, but frankly the high octane Ki-84 was only flown with high octane in the united states, and not in Japan.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 09:44:34 PM »
if you want the high octane stuff you need to talk to daddkev

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 10:55:29 PM »
The High octane fuel is not needed.

AH Ki-84-Ia (aka Ki-84-Ko) using IJAAF's mass production trial model data, 624km/h at 5000m.
The engine was HA-45-Toku(1800HP/2900RPM/+400mmHg), The HA-45-Toku is power limited version of HA-45-21(2000HP/3000RPM/+500mmHg).
Also this trial model equipped normal exhaust manifold. (the mass production model changed to augment exhaust pipes. it improves speed to 10~20km/h.)

In fact, according to Japanese reference, the mass production Ki-84-I-Ko's max speed was up to 650~655km/h with HA-45-21 2000HP engine and augment exhaust pipes. Also Ki-84-Otsu (4x20mm ver) recorded 660km/h at 6000m.

These all data have been recorded when engine condition was "good".
IJAAF has limited HA-45-21's power to the same as HA-45-Toku in the war.
But Aces High simulates engine condition is always "perfect", so Ki-84 can be gotten more speed.

Please adjust the Ki-84. :)

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 11:07:35 PM »
this is an old wish. . .but if the ki84 were any faster or produced any more power it could be considered 'easy mode'. . .hell its already good.

irks me to no end watching those fishing guys use it the way they do, god forbid everyone else using it as a runner.

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 11:50:08 PM »
And my question and wish is...

Why does N1K2 have 5 min WEP, but Ki-84 has only 1 min WEP with the same engine?
N1K2's engine, the NK9H's WEP is limited to 1 min from according N1K2's flight manual.

By the way, According to Bunzo Komine's report, IJAAF/IJNAF has removed a power limit of HA-45 and NK9H to fight against late war enemy fighters in 1944 December. From this, both engines could use WEP 10 min.

It's interesting.  :)

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 11:52:54 PM »
And my question and wish is...

Why does N1K2 have 5 min WEP, but Ki-84 has only 1 min WEP with the same engine?
N1K2's engine, the NK9H's WEP is limited to 1 min from according N1K2's flight manual.

By the way, According to Bunzo Komine's report, IJAAF/IJNAF has removed a power limit of HA-45 and NK9H to fight against late war enemy fighters in 1944 December. From this, both engines could use WEP 10 min.

It's interesting.  :)

I believe the engine was limited to 3 minutes of wep only, or the engine will be heavily damaged.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 12:49:56 PM »
I have seen some posts suggests that the N1k could turn fight with the best of the turn-fight birds.  I have never found the N1k to be able to get into a sustained turn fight with the likes of a Spit or Zero.  Am I just flying that thing wrong? Maybe I have the (x) Turn Fighter configuration toggle off for it.  :lol

To me the N1k's strengths are the guns, visibility and rate of climb.

What do you guys feel about N1k in turn fights?


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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 12:53:36 PM »
N1K seems to do fine against Spits IMO. Although the fights usually last a few seconds at most before that one snapshot ends it.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 12:58:53 PM »
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N1K seems to do fine against Spits IMO.

I agree. 

Can it turn fight with them though, i.e. would you consider an N1k a turn-fighter?
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 01:02:44 PM »
I agree. 

Can it turn fight with them though, i.e. would you consider an N1k a turn-fighter?

N1ks are all round one of the best turn fighters in the game, although nothing special its a tab slower then most fighters, but it still can climb well, use flaps in a fight and stay in the vertical longer then most.

I ran into some VERY good N1k drivers, and I can tell you its NOT an easy plane to dogfight at all, it has very little weaknesses other then the low muzzle velocity of the guns.

Sure you won't out turn a zero, keep it in the vertical and it will beat a Zero and give a 109/spitfire a headache.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 01:13:08 PM »
Can it turn fight with them though, i.e. would you consider an N1k a turn-fighter?


Absolutely, unless you dismiss anything flat turning worse than an A6M. ;)

But the N1k still has a sustained turn rate and turn radius among the best in the game. With full flaps, significantly better than a Spit 16.
See also http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=n1k2j&p2=spit16
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 01:21:48 PM »
Butcher, Lusche,

Good points sirs. I did not know that.
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Re: Ki-84 high octane gas
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 04:18:43 PM »
nikis are my cryptonite

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