luftwaffe skin for the Betty

[captain1ma]

any chance of that happening? we use the Betty's now and then as HE111's in the AVA. we could really use a skin for it.

[JOACH1M]

Krusty could, he made the 110 skin insub for the Japanese plane (I forget what the plane name was) for a scenario a while back.

[Volron]

Krusty could, he made the 110 skin insub for the Japanese plane (I forget what the plane name was) for a scenario a while back.

I believe the 110 was the C-4, and it was subbing for the Ki-45 if I remember correctly.

[Devil 505]

It was the 110C-4. I was one of the lucky few that got to fly it.

[Krusty]

Well, the 110C was a lot more like the Ki-45 than the Betty is to the Heinkel.

I'm also not sure they match in regards to defensive firepower. The Betty is much better gunned. The He-111 had only a handful of 7mm guns on it, for the most part.

It's possible to make a SEA skin but it would be built into the map as the default. The physical likeness also wouldn't be very close.

Other than that, nobody on the SEA/events team has asked me to do one. 

[Fencer51]

You might be surprised what is on some of the Mediterranean maps for the Betty.

[Greebo]

I've already skinned Soviet "Bettskis" and Italian "Bettinis" for special events and can do a German "Bettinkel" if there's a need for it.

[captain1ma]

we'd like to have a luftwaffe skin, that we can use in the AVA. thats why im asking. there have been many times that ive subbed a betty for a 111. a luftwaffe skin would help with the imagination, rather then the japanese markings.

[Greebo]

NP, I'll do one. Shouldn't take long.

[Krusty]

I've already skinned Soviet "Bettskis" and Italian "Bettinis" for special events and can do a German "Bettinkel" if there's a need for it.

It's far more like soviet and italian craft than it is like the Heinkel, though.

Some gaps in the planeset just can't be solved with "hack" skins (to borrow a term from the IL2 community).

[Banshee7]

It's far more like soviet and italian craft than it is like the Heinkel, though.

Some gaps in the planeset just can't be solved with "hack" skins (to borrow a term from the IL2 community).

Without the addition of planes to fill the gap, what is a better alternative?

[Greebo]

I've done the skin and uploaded it to terrain/greebo on the htc server.

[Krusty]

Without the addition of planes to fill the gap, what is a better alternative?

Soldier on without.

Its not a good solution, but it's better than making really outlandish unrelated substitutes. For example, if we had a Blenheim that might be a better sub for the Heinkel, but the performance, speed, firepower, for the Betty is pretty darned different.

Sometimes there are subs that can be made that don't fully match, but look superficially the same. I dont think the Betty looks like the He-111. It could pass for some other things maybe.

The He111 is one of many glaring planeset holes. Ju88 probably matches it better, though.


Food for thought, in the last Rangoon discussion I made the suggestion of subbing the C.202 for the Ki-44 instead of the A6M5b. It has similar firepower, speed/climb, etc. It turns worse and is in-line, but otherwise is pretty close. Might consider a Ki-44 skin for that plane as well.

[Banshee7]

So, basically, if there is a scenario that lacks a certain plane that we do not have an appropriate substitute for, that side should do without a plane to fill that role?  Not arguing, just trying to get on the same page here.

[Slash27]

I've done the skin and uploaded it to terrain/greebo on the htc server.