C205: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

[Slade]

Guys,

What can you share as far as your real game experience with the C205?  Tactics, guns, convergence, effectivity in different envelopes etc.

Seems to me to be a pretty good ride.


Thanks for sharing,

Slade 

[FBLazy1]

It's a fun plane I have a couple kills in this little bird. My convergence on most my planes start at 400 and stagger 25 each gun (20mm at 400 and the other at 425).

Here is the Lushe is post on the AH Stats of 2011 Pilots in Planes thread. Good knowledge for each plane and pilot.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326962.0.html

[Noir]

Its a 109G2 with twin cannons. The End. 

[Butcher]

I keep the C.205's guns at 375, Basically it has Fw190 guns with a Bf109g2's engine.

Its turn radius is pretty fair, it out turns a typical P47 and P51 with ease, but spitfires and 109s beat it. The C205 is decent when it comes to speed, at 21k it tops around 405mph, I would honestly STICK around 10-15k for a LWA fight.
The climb rate is exceptional, only a few spits and 109s can out climb the 205 on Wep, even without wep it still out climbs many opponents.

Acceleration is not that good, you must keep your airspeed up and try not to let something like a La7 catch you, If you dump your airspeed just remember it takes a while to get it back, so its not a true dogfighter.

Max speed on the deck is 323 and 333 with wep - which is TERRIBLE, stay off the deck at all costs. Between 10k and 15k its pretty decent sticking around 375 leveled out.
Basically you need to utalize the Climb Rate to defeat most opponents, its a very nimble bird when its gas gets down 50%. Use the firepower at every chance, at 375 converg, you can take many snapshots and score serious damage.
You are going to burn down a good 25% gas before you even get to the target, you HAVE to monitor the fuel, c.205s have short legs, but if you stick around 10-15k you can easily throttle back and still make some moves before an enemy closes under 3k.

The view is pretty fantastic, allows great snapshots, its guns are outstanding, just remember not to get caught on the deck, its not easy a nimble late war fighter, its a pretty rugged midwar fighter however.

I flew it for 4-5 tours before switching to the Ki-84, every now and then I go back because the C.205 is just the ferrari of the midwar fighters

One last note: Its a perk farmer at 25 eny - want to bang out some serious fighter perks? fly it for an entire tour (sooner you ignore score the sooner you learn to love a perk farmer)

[ink]

Drain your wing tanks first...the only plane I fly and set my own fuel tank drain, gives it a better roll rate.

[Karnak]

323 MIL and 333 WEP on the deck is not terrible unless you're going to consider things like the Bf109K-4 and P-51D as being just adequate.  If you do that you're basically going to write off a the vast majority of the planeset as being too slow.  The C.205 is right in the middle of the pack.  Terrible is reserved for things like the A6M2 and Hurricane Mk I.

[Debrody]

Butcher summed it well enough.
A couple things to add:
-while the turn rate isnt as bad, the turn radius is pretty big. Flaps are pretty poor too, i wouldnt use them unless its a scissoring/overshooting fight or youre on a top of a rope.
-in the other hand, stall characteristics are decent, the torque gives you a "safe" feeling in the poost-stall moves. The aircraft is steadily nose-heavy, you can push it hard.
-thanks to its excellent guns, good climb, acceptable dive and decent instanteous turn rate, this plane excels in many vs many skirmishes.
-333mph IS terrible since you got absolutely nothing to use against a spit9/8/16. (Thats for Karnak)
One last note: please, dont fly it like kamurogi. Thank you.

[Slade]

One last note: please, dont fly it like kamurogi. Thank you.

LOL!  Why is that sir?

[Karnak]

333 gives you as much or more against a Spit IX than it does against an N1K2-J.  Spit VIII is slightly faster, Spit XVI is a speed category, by my reckoning, higher.

[bozon]

it is a 1943 bird and relative to mid-war, it has very reasonable performance. With a bit of rpm and throttle management you can even get a decent enough range out of it. Gun package is 190A5'ish while performance is 109G2'ish (has the same cannon placement and better MG than 190A5, and the engine of a 109).

Any plane with a pimp leopard skin gets a "like" from me.

[Tank-Ace]

Personally, I feel the C.205 is one of the most under-valued aircraft in the game. Really a great little fighter, superb rate of climb, great guns, and decent acceleration.


Personally I feel it flys a bit like a combination of the 190 and 109. It handles speed much better than the 109, and manuvers much better than the 190. At mid-speeds its actually suprisingly nimble. Very low or very high speeds tend to pose a bit of an issue, but its not impossible to do. I've taken the C205 into low speed turning matches with hellcats and came out OK. But since I had superior energy generation compared to the hellcat, my goal wasn't to beat him in a turning fight, but to make him blow his E.


Overall, come in high, and ignore any aircraft above you as targets. Don't be afraid to manuver a bit, but its still safest to return to your perch if its clear you'll be in for a long drawn-out fight.

[Oldman731]

Oy.  So let me be the voice in the wilderness:

The 205 is a pig.

There.  I've said it.  If you want elegance and a gilded fresco paint job, fly the 202.

- oldman

[Tank-Ace]

Oy.  So let me be the voice in the wilderness:

The 205 is a pig.

There.  I've said it.  If you want elegance and a gilded fresco paint job, fly the 202.

- oldman

 

And a +1 to you sir.

[Krusty]

I've been a fan of the C2 long before it became noticed on most people's radar.


It is a pig. The guns package is good, not great, not overall reliable (you can land a solid hit and not get a kill), and as far as turning goes -- it's sub par compared to most of the planeset.


Overall it's a nice ride. Just don't be saying it's overly manueverable or elegant.


Same goes for the C.202. Doesn't turn all that well.



P.S. Don't ever use flaps in a C2. I mean ever. They're for landing and coming to a complete stop only, and it has a nasty/wicked/vicious stall nature, so if you want to get the best out of it, keep it ABOVE the stall at all times. It handles quite nicely there, much like keeping a P-40 faster (150mph or so) at all times, that's the sweet spot.

[MK-84]

Its a 109G2 with twin cannons. The End. 

Oh HECK NO!

The C205 has superior diving abilities, which is incredibly important if you combine that with it's fantastic climbrate!
The C205 has superior departure characteristics compared with the 109, being less susceptible to snap rolls and torque roll particularly at low speeds.
The twin 20mm carry a lot more ammo, which allows a pilot to be more encouraged to take a less than perfect shot.
It has more than one fuel tank which could be a pretty big difference if taking damage.

In terms of speed and climbrate it is similar on military power to the 109G2 and the G14, but has much weaker WEP.

Turn radius is better with both mentioned 109's either with flaps or without, and acceleration is good, but not as good as the 109's

Keep in mind though, that this is assuming the 109's are not carrying gondolas.