Convergence: Stagger or Not

[Shuffler]

I stagger out of bed... stagger to the bathroom... stagger to the mess hall... stagger to my plane.... I'll be danged if I am going to stagger my guns.

[Tank-Ace]

Guys,

With regard to convergence and staggering\slash over laying vs. setting all guns to one range; what is your preference and findings of how effective  (or not effective) it is.

For example: some with a P-51 will set convergence so as inner gun = 350, middle 325 and outer 300.


Thanks for sharing,

Slade 

REALLY depends.

fighters with 6 .50's and under, I set to point convergence, range: D350

Ground attackers with .50's, I set to a zone of 100yds ending at D500

Fighters with 8 .50s (P-47 *cough*), I set to a zone of 100yds centered on D350

Hurricane ans spitfire mk 1 are set to D300 point convergance.

Fighters nose mounted cannons I set to D 50, and for cowl MG's I have those set to D650, wing mounted set to between D275 and D350 depending on the spacing, placment and caliber (spits 8 and under are set to D275, 14+ to D350, Ki-61 to D350)

Fighters with wing cannons I set to D 350 if they're wide spaced, D450 for all 190's save the A8, since the cannons are in the wing root. A8 I have all 4 cannons set to D400.


Ta-152 and K4 have the 30mm set to D250, and the Ta-152 has the 20mms set to D 450.


110 has the 20mm's set to D500, and the 30mm's set to D350.




And then occationally I'll change to a mission-specific convergence.



All of my tank guns are set to D3200 + convergence  .

[SmokinLoon]

Ask yourself where the bulk of your "kill" shots occur.  THAT is where the convergence should be set.  Unless we're talking about the 8 gun P47 or the Me262 with quad 30mm, I highly suggest keeping everything set at the same. 

I dont, but I can see the reasoning behind staggering quad 20mm by 25 yards, too.  But Spitfires, 6/4 gun US planes, 109's, etc etc... keep them together.  No sense in delivering a jab when a knockout punch can be had.   

[vafiii]

Unless your target is exactly at the convergence range then technically the rounds will stagger or fan out across the target no matter what. If your convergence is set at D350 and your target is at D400, rounds will not hit the target in exactly the same location (assuming wing mounted guns). Also, how do you know you're exactly at D350, since Icon range in game goes from D400 to D200, a difference of 200 yards? Just a thought.

[Tank-Ace]

Ask yourself where the bulk of your "kill" shots occur.  THAT is where the convergence should be set.  Unless we're talking about the 8 gun P47 or the Me262 with quad 30mm, I highly suggest keeping everything set at the same. 

I dont, but I can see the reasoning behind staggering quad 20mm by 25 yards, too.  But Spitfires, 6/4 gun US planes, 109's, etc etc... keep them together.  No sense in delivering a jab when a knockout punch can be had.   

Depends on how you mean this. If you're talking gondies, yeah, no reason to stagger them. If you're talking cowl guns, no reason not to set those out further since they shoot pretty flat and give you a bit of long-ranged bite.

Especially on the K4 or anything where you're using 30mm's, theres absolutely ZERO reason to concentrate them.

[Noir]

Unless your target is exactly at the convergence range then technically the rounds will stagger or fan out across the target no matter what. If your convergence is set at D350 and your target is at D400, rounds will not hit the target in exactly the same location (assuming wing mounted guns). Also, how do you know you're exactly at D350, since Icon range in game goes from D400 to D200, a difference of 200 yards? Just a thought.

If my enemy is closer than my convergence with wing guns, only half my gun will shoot on the same spot. Even so, the 3 machineguns will have a better hit concentration if they are on the same convergence, than staggered convergence guns. The only advantage of staggered guns would be when you are missing on purpose, at a precise distance  

[Lusche]

There is one single plane in which I'm using a staggered convergence. But one so extreme, that I didn't think of it as being staggered at all: The Me 262 with D650 and D200, to create a kind of "shotgun" effect.
I did so specifically with enemy fighters in mind, against which I often have just one and very short firing opportunity at rapidly varying angles and closure speeds.As usually only one hit is needed for a kill, I traded 'precision' for 'volume' & 'dispersion'. But this helps in slashing attacks vs buffs, too.

[ELOHSSA]

There is alot of great information here. And the convergence seems to depend on flying style.  So to delve a little deeper i have a question regarding round tragectory and convergence. 

So if your convergence is set for lets say 350. So dose this mean that at 350 you rounds are at the hights point of the arch.  And anything else will be bellow the target?

Or jus the opposite. And the tergectory or the rounds are flat, and at 350, they start to drop off. So in theory you can aim dead on till you get the past 350 and any past that you need to aim above the target to allow for bullet dro

[Lusche]

ELOHSSA, I think you can find the answer, and many more information, in this big convergence thread in the Help & Training forum 

[Tank-Ace]

Convergence means that when flying level and looking through the gun sight, your rounds will pass through the aim point at that range, be it D350, D200, or D650.

[vafiii]

The height of the arc would be the mid point between the gun and the selected convergence distance as the rounds arc as they leave the gun. For example, if you're convergence is set at D400 then the high point of the arc would be D200 or somewhere close depending on velocity of the round. There's some good info on convergence on the Aces High Trainer's site. Check it out.

[morfiend]

The height of the arc would be the mid point between the gun and the selected convergence distance as the rounds arc as they leave the gun. For example, if you're convergence is set at D400 then the high point of the arc would be D200 or somewhere close depending on velocity of the round. There's some good info on convergence on the Aces High Trainer's site. Check it out.

  This is how it works in RL but not in AH.   The rounds leave the barrel and reach their highest point at convergence.

   set conv to 600 and set target at 300 see where the rounds land!  In RL they would be above the pipper at that point but I'll let you check to see for yourself if this is how it works in AH.


   

[RTHolmes]

depends on the ballistics of the round and how far below the sight the guns are. I doubt theres any wing fired rounds that are dropping at d600 (vickers 40mm perhaps?), hub-mounted taters and low-KE cowl mounted machine guns possibly.

[morfiend]

depends on the ballistics of the round and how far below the sight the guns are. I doubt theres any wing fired rounds that are dropping at d600 (vickers 40mm perhaps?), hub-mounted taters and low-KE cowl mounted machine guns possibly.

  I'm not sure what you mean by this but I can tell you regardless of the gun type,the round only rise to the pipper,they never go above it. This is how it's modeled in AH,RL is slightly different.



   

[Shuffler]

You do not need convergeance if you just train your bullits better.