About the P47...

[Alky]

I was away from AH for a few years, the last new plane added at the time was the P-47N.  I see there's now a P-47M which is shown as a fighter in the hanger. I found in the past that the N model with no ordnance was fairly nimble and effective.
So, can I assume that the M model is exactly the same plane as the N without ordnance?  
"Soda's Evaluation" site was always my bible but it's out of date now with all the aircraft additions.  

Thanx  

[Hap]

Hi alt hot rod -- 25K plus.  Look at it's speed chart in the hangar. 

[Wiley]

Similar to the -N, a bit lighter and no clipped wings, so roll rate isn't as good as the -N.  A great plane to fly.

Wiley.

[FLS]

Note that the N model has about twice the fuel capacity of the M so 100% in the M is like 50% in the N.

Similar to the -N, a bit lighter and no clipped wings, so roll rate isn't as good as the -N.  A great plane to fly.

Wiley.

The N has extended squared wingtips, they are not clipped, wingspan is a couple of feet wider. I haven't compared the roll rates.

[Wiley]

The N has extended squared wingtips, they are not clipped, wingspan is a couple of feet wider. I haven't compared the roll rates.

Hmp!  Learned my thing for the day.  Thanks!

Wiley.

[Alky]

Note that the N model has about twice the fuel capacity of the M so 100% in the M is like 50% in the N.

Similar to the -N, a bit lighter and no clipped wings, so roll rate isn't as good as the -N.  A great plane to fly.

Thanx guys, just the kinda things I wanted to find out.       

[Rich52]

Seems more nimble to me then the "N", more responsive. With air under you its a killer. I think its the best Bomber sheepdog in the set.

[BaldEagl]

I've always thought of it as the F4F-4 of the Jug lineup.  I'm not comparing it to the F4F-4 but in comparison to the rest in it's planeset.

[Full Metal Jug]

Both planes are quick, if I've noticed anything there is a line between the two. The M and the N model have diffrent fuel caps, the N is able to carry it's fuel in both wings, the M is only able to have it centered. The M has a higher climb rate though, it can get into the fours at low alts with light 8s and 25% fuel. However I think the N can only do 3 1/4 climb rate.

The M is slightly quicker by about 10 or 20 mile an hour though, it's got an awkward sight though. For some reason the aim point on the M seems like it is below the cowl.

[DaddyAce]

M also has "dive flaps"...am thinking it's the only 47 with them, can be especially helpful in avoiding or getting out of compression.

[Delirium]

I don't fly the P47 much, but I believe the 40 and the N have dive flaps as well.

[LilMak]

D-40, M, and N have the spoilers (dive brakes). M and N are very close in speed with WEP. N is is the biggest dog of the Jug bunch once the WEP is gone. M is lighter and will stay in the vertical longer and accelerates better than all of the jugs. You'll rarely see it in the MA because of the low altitudes but the P-47-M was the fastest American plane to see combat. It'll do the advertised 470mph in the area of 30k but it takes it almost an entire sector to get there when level.

[bustr]

For some reason the aim point on the M seems like it is below the cowl.

I used to fly for the 56th when nomde, YUCCA and Frenchy played. I could never figure out at that time how to describe that same feeling in any of the Jugs about gunnery. When you look at WW2 manuals for the ballistics the guns are aiming up from one of the longest distances down from the pilots eye line of most fighters in WW2. Even the F4U's are arranged easier due to the upswing in the gull wing configuration.

That steep up angle with the Jug's makes you shoot low right to your convergence point.

If you want to see this offline fly a Jug at the offline target at 290 true airspeed auto leveled. This places the prop hub centered to the red center line of the target. Use E6b once autleveled to tweek it with throttel and RPM to hold the speed. Then shoot at distances of 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, (your convergence). Watch how the impact patterns walk visibly up to your line of sight at the ConvIP.

You can compaire this against the P51D@285ta or the F4U-1A@260ta. Even the FW190-A8@280ta. Set the arena time to 01:00 to see your patterns on the target better on full zoom. (.time 01:00) (.target xxxx)

[Krusty]

M and N have the same engine and nearly the same top speed (a few mph off for the N), but the main difference is the N has a higher dry weight. Even if you load it lighter on the gas it'll still be a bit heavier than the M. I don't recall if it's 500 or 1000 lbs, but something close to one or the other.


Overall, a light N will fly similar to a regular M, and overall they're both very lethal. Pilot error makes most of them fall into the same traps and pitfalls that the D models fall into, but they are a bit superior to their early brothers.


P.S. The N has squared tips, and slightly larger ailerons, but it also has longer wings as well, so the net result is that the roll rates are almost the same. No clear winner in that category, either way.

[Tank-Ace]

Would a P-47N at 25% out preform a P-47M at 50% (roughly equal fuel loads), due to the larger wing area? Or would the lighter weight of the 47M still give it the edge in climb, turning, and handling?