USA's jet fighter that wasn't built

[viking73]

Lockheed L-133 was US first jet but when Lockheed approach the military before the war to build it, the military turned it down, wanting bombers instead. When the 262 was discovered, Lockheed was quickly re-approached by the military to get something built. Thus the P-80. Ar-234's were flying over Italy and giving the Germans knowledge of everything going on. A squadron of P-80's were rushed to Italy with the single mission of hunting and shooting down the 234's. However, the 234's sorties were so scattered that the P-80's never could find them.

Who is in charge of adding planes to AH2? Seems to me this is enough to qualify it as a WW2 combat aircraft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O3viiJ4g5G8

[4Prop]

L-133 never flew

[morfiend]

 It wasnt a squadron of P80 in Italy it was 2 or 3 at most and they never went into combat but were used in a trials phaze.

   So sorry but it doesnt quite make to requirement for inclussion,however I have never seen it writen in stone what exactly are the requirement for inclussion into AH.


   

[viking73]

L-133 never flew

Really? No Duh. I said it wasn't built.

It wasnt a squadron of P80 in Italy it was 2 or 3 at most and they never went into combat but were used in a trials phaze.

   So sorry but it doesnt quite make to requirement for inclussion,however I have never seen it writen in stone what exactly are the requirement for inclussion into AH.


   

It has to have been in Combat. There is no number requirement. It was a squadron of 4 P-80's. I think chasing down the 234 to shoot it down qualifies as combat missions.

[4Prop]

ok I thought u were asking for the L133

[Lusche]

Lockheed L-133 was US first jet but when Lockheed approach the military before the war to build it, the military turned it down, wanting bombers instead.

I would have thought that to qualify as "first jet" it should have existed... 

[viking73]

I would have thought that to qualify as "first jet" it should have existed...  

Ok, it was the first jet researched and approached to the government to build. Picky

I'm wondering how many of you responding have even seen the video yet.

Also The British Gloster Meteor did shot down 13 V-1's in 1944 (think the year is right)

Bill Yenne writes in his book 'Lockheed', "In early 1945 two Shooting Stars were sent to England and another pair to Italy. They actually went on patrol searching for Me-262 and Heinkel He- 162 jet fighters, but there was to be no air-to-air combat between jets during World War II.

[morfiend]

Really? No Duh. I said it wasn't built.

It has to have been in Combat. There is no number requirement. It was a squadron of 4 P-80's. I think chasing down the 234 to shoot it down qualifies as combat missions.

 So are you saying the P80's shot down an Ar234?   I have never heard of this before,any link so I can read more?


   

[Ack-Ack]

So are you saying the P80's shot down an Ar234?   I have never heard of this before,any link so I can read more?


   

He's claiming that both of the P-80s sent to Italy were sent there to hunt down Ar234 recce flights but there aren't any official USAAF reports to back up those claims.

ack-ack

[morfiend]

He's claiming that both of the P-80s sent to Italy were sent there to hunt down Ar234 recce flights but there aren't any official USAAF reports to back up those claims.

ack-ack

  Ack, if you check the youtube link you'll see they make mention of this!  however like most history channel docs I take it with a grain of salt. I'm sure you 38 guys could find errors with the stuff covered on the 38 as well.

       I always refer to the 6 50mm cannons that the P51 had!!!

    I've never seen any reports either but then I've never seen HTC's inclussion requirements either!


   

[B4Buster]

He's claiming that both of the P-80s sent to Italy were sent there to hunt down Ar234 recce flights but there aren't any official USAAF reports to back up those claims.

ack-ack

Nor have in. In fact, I believe they were grounded shortly after reaching Italy.

[lyric1]

What I have found so far.
Most of the links don't work anymore on the first site.

http://forum.armyairforces.com/1st-FG-and-the-Lockheed-YP80A-Shooting-Star-m94873.aspx

http://warbirdsforum.com/showthread.php?t=990

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71485

[Guppy35]

He's claiming that both of the P-80s sent to Italy were sent there to hunt down Ar234 recce flights but there aren't any official USAAF reports to back up those claims.

ack-ack

The P80s were attached to the 1st FG but their flying was done far from any combat.

This would apply to the 2 sent to the ETO as well. 

[MarineUS]

Would be a different addition. Very sleek.

[Karnak]

Two YP-80s were sent to the UK and two to Italy, but in no case were they intended for combat.  They were sent so that service pilots could give some feedback on them.  They did not fly anywhere near where they would encounter enemy aircraft and most certainly were never tasked with hunting any of them.  I am also highly skeptical of the claims about a pre-war US jet design given that the Whittle design was sent over by the UK during the war.

The only Allied jet to see combat was the Gloster Meteor Mk I, against V1s, and Meteor Mk III, against V1s and ground attack on the continent.