11.81@121mph

[Shuffler]

Well.....seeing as how the Challenger has won more awards then the Mustang and Camaro since its' inception
I'll leave it at that.  Also...I've won two trophies in modern era muscle category.  These cruises btw were
the only two to have that category.  My competition?  The Mustang and the Camaro.  They lost.
The MOPAR Hemi is still the icon in which other powerplants are judged.  Always was, always will
I remember when both Chevy and Ford told their NHRA drivers in the 60s "Do not get in a match race with a HEMI."
I also remember when both Ford and Chevy cried their wittle hears out about the Daytonas and Superbirds.
NASCAR complied, and the MOPAR drivers boycotted NASCAR.  NASCAR then gave in!

Dodge only manufactures 30K to 40K Challengers a year, all categories (V6 etc.)  Ford and Chevy
however flood the market.  Car and Driver included the Challenger in its list of top 10 of autos that will
be regarded as classic ten years from now.  This included some exotic cars.   Ford and Chevy had no
entrants in that list.  The 2013 year will be the last for the Challenger. They're
going to manufacture the Cuda again.  Fiat, Ferrari, Maseratti, Dodge have it right.

BTW Chyrsler is havinge yet another very big year in sales.

I've also won one trophy that included all makes, models and years.

Bantering about your favorite auto and manufacturer is fun....and I do it in jest of course.  

My daughter's camaro has several trophies too.  Been used in advertising at SEMA and several other places.


All three cars are great IMHO. They have reignited the old three way feud and bragging rights.


You do realize that the HEMI is just the hemipherical heads. The legend of the HEMI was 60s big blocks thumping down some huge power. The word hemi is just a marketing term now. That is not to say they do not have power.... but nothing impressive over any other flavor.

[Gustav]

Funny thing is. If I remember right, the majority of GM engines are now 'Hemi' iirc. They just can't market it cause Chrysler would have a cow.

[Hajo]

Shuffler you forget I was there.  

I was driving these things when you were in grade school  

And coming from Chevy who....if I remember correctly didn't put a V8 in a car until what.....1955 or 56?
And a 265cu. in. V8 at that.
The DeSoto at that time already had a 355 Hemi in it.

They're all great cars!  I like them all.  I just find it very refreshing that the discussion has been reborn.
And I stand by what I say.  The Hemi is still the icon by which all others are judged.
I'm getting the same HP from a fuel injected Hemi that an SS Camro is getting with a supercharger.
Without the supercharger.  I was parked next to a black one last nite at a show.  Nice car.
Same HP...stamped 426hp under the SS.  His supercharged....mine just fuel injected.  Splain Dat Lucy  
We talked a great length, guy and his wife.  Nice people.  More people were looking under the Hood of the
R/T and commenting on it and asking questions about it.  They asked me how much HP...told them.
They said you getting that without the supercharger?  Yup....then they made the comparison with his SS.
I just explained...well....it's a Hemi!  They all said...yep...it surely is.

[CAP1]

Well.....seeing as how the Challenger has won more awards then the Mustang and Camaro since its' inception
I'll leave it at that.  Also...I've won two trophies in modern era muscle category.  These cruises btw were
the only two to have that category.  My competition?  The Mustang and the Camaro.  They lost.
The MOPAR Hemi is still the icon in which other powerplants are judged.  Always was, always will
I remember when both Chevy and Ford told their NHRA drivers in the 60s "Do not get in a match race with a HEMI."
I also remember when both Ford and Chevy cried their wittle hears out about the Daytonas and Superbirds.
NASCAR complied, and the MOPAR drivers boycotted NASCAR.  NASCAR then gave in!

Dodge only manufactures 30K to 40K Challengers a year, all categories (V6 etc.)  Ford and Chevy
however flood the market.  Car and Driver included the Challenger in its list of top 10 of autos that will
be regarded as classic ten years from now.  This included some exotic cars.   Ford and Chevy had no
entrants in that list.  The 2013 year will be the last for the Challenger. They're
going to manufacture the Cuda again.  Fiat, Ferrari, Maseratti, Dodge have it right.

BTW Chyrsler is havinge yet another very big year in sales.

I've also won one trophy that included all makes, models and years.

Bantering about your favorite auto and manufacturer is fun....and I do it in jest of course.  

 yes. but don't forget......both chrysler and chevy cried their wittle eyes out about the 427sohc. thus it was never allowed to compete. had it been, ford would've beaten chrysler to 200mph.
 ford built a hemi before chrysler. it wasn't successful, but they built it. 

 that all being said, i've been seeing more challengers in my little corner of nj than mustangs or camaros as of late. most are 6 bangers though. chrysler is making a big mistake i think, discontinuing the challenger. it's a beautiful car, and could be made to compete with the other 2 if they really tried.

 i'll banter about em all. i love my fords. one of my favorite cars i got to work on was the 69 302 z28. stupid fast, and beautiful lines. the last of the true camaros in my opinion.
 i remember when chrysler products used to wipe up the streets with pretty much anything. i owned 2 73 roadrunners, and a 74 scamp(plymouth version of a dart).

 i like em all, and as long as we can keep having our new hotrods with stupid power, i'll be happy. 

[CAP1]

What else do you run on a race track???  Bicycle tires?  

Always an excuse somewhere eh?   (My dog ate the homework, I was on the phone etc.)

BTW Cap....check the forums...many had no tune, it's a problem from the factory that has been acknowledged.

 i think the zl1 did it's time on the tires that would come on it if you bought one.

 i'll look again, as i know that cylinder runs hot......but the last i looked, they'd all been tuned.

[Hajo]

yes. but don't forget......both chrysler and chevy cried their wittle eyes out about the 427sohc. thus it was never allowed to compete. had it been, ford would've beaten chrysler to 200mph.
 ford built a hemi before chrysler. it wasn't successful, but they built it. 

 that all being said, i've been seeing more challengers in my little corner of nj than mustangs or camaros as of late. most are 6 bangers though. chrysler is making a big mistake i think, discontinuing the challenger. it's a beautiful car, and could be made to compete with the other 2 if they really tried.

 i'll banter about em all. i love my fords. one of my favorite cars i got to work on was the 69 302 z28. stupid fast, and beautiful lines. the last of the true camaros in my opinion.
 i remember when chrysler products used to wipe up the streets with pretty much anything. i owned 2 73 roadrunners, and a 74 scamp(plymouth version of a dart).

 i like em all, and as long as we can keep having our new hotrods with stupid power, i'll be happy. 

Cap and Shuff....well said........that dam R/T makes me feel like a kid again    The Mustang and Camaro are fantastic also.

[Shuffler]

Shuffler you forget I was there.  

I was driving these things when you were in grade school  

And coming from Chevy who....if I remember correctly didn't put a V8 in a car until what.....1955 or 56?
And a 265cu. in. V8 at that.
The DeSoto at that time already had a 355 Hemi in it.

They're all great cars!  I like them all.  I just find it very refreshing that the discussion has been reborn.
And I stand by what I say.  The Hemi is still the icon by which all others are judged.
I'm getting the same HP from a fuel injected Hemi that an SS Camro is getting with a supercharger.
Without the supercharger.  I was parked next to a black one last nite at a show.  Nice car.
Same HP...stamped 426hp under the SS.  His supercharged....mine just fuel injected.  Splain Dat Lucy  
We talked a great length, guy and his wife.  Nice people.  More people were looking under the Hood of the
R/T and commenting on it and asking questions about it.  They asked me how much HP...told them.
They said you getting that without the supercharger?  Yup....then they made the comparison with his SS.
I just explained...well....it's a Hemi!  They all said...yep...it surely is.

Camaro SS is 426 from the factory fuel injected, naturally asperated. He was not showing his colors.

The 6cyl camaro is putting out 323 hp.

The folks asking the questions may have liked cars but they were not up to snuff on any data.

[Shuffler]

i think the zl1 did it's time on the tires that would come on it if you bought one.

 i'll look again, as i know that cylinder runs hot......but the last i looked, they'd all been tuned.

The ZL1 was all factory spec as you'd buy it off the showroom floor.

[CAP1]

The ZL1 was all factory spec as you'd buy it off the showroom floor.

 'cept for rollcage. i heard it had that.

[Shuffler]

'cept for rollcage. i heard it had that.

Track requirement

[Gustav]

Oh, you guys talk about banter. Being in a family that is half diehard Ford fans and the other half being diehard Chevy fans. The banter that normally follows any family reunions can get pretty good.

Example being my dad still sometimes pokes fun about when Grandpa had to explain why his ford van shuts off the A/C going up hills or being heavy with the throttle to maximize engine power...

[CAP1]

Track requirement

 yea i figured.....i'm just being a nitpicky bastage. 

[CAP1]

Oh, you guys talk about banter. Being in a family that is half diehard Ford fans and the other half being diehard Chevy fans. The banter that normally follows any family reunions can get pretty good.

Example being my dad still sometimes pokes fun about when Grandpa had to explain why his ford van shuts off the A/C going up hills or being heavy with the throttle to maximize engine power...

 i visited a friend in hazelton pa a few years back. didn't feel like spending much on gas, so i took my geo prism. i had to kill the a/c to maintain highway speed on some of those dam hills. 

[Gustav]

To be fair, I helped instigate the banter on road trips when I was younger. I had discovered that if I shook my foot juuuust right whenever we came to a stop that I could trick my elders into thinking the engine was missing/running rough.

That turned many quiet boring car trips into fairly amusing trips listening to my elders bantering over things like reliability and if the vehicle we were in was crap or not.  

[morfiend]

 Cap,

  You can have your stangs,my honda does 0 to 60 by sometime next week,on the other hand it does like to visit gas stations very often!