Lancasters Turnfighting?

[Mace2004]

My dad's been along for a few of those drops and he discussed the dangers with me as well as what he experienced at the moment of dropping.

He was tempted to do it for a living after he retired from delta.

Go over the basic physics and you will surely see negative G in the flight profile of at least two of the filmed crashes where both wings departed at the same time.

When faced with the opinions of this board vs my dad's opinions, I will side with dad.

His experience level and flight time in combat, civilian, and commercial aviation is way beyond what most will ever accomplish in aviation.

If I were in your place, chatting with some guys on an internet forum whose credentials I didn't know and with no personal experience in the matter myself I'd go with my dad's story as well.  However, for me, I will have to respectfully disagree with him and go with my own personal experience.  If you do have additional videos please post a link.  The one Brooke posted is by far the best I've seen and I don't recall any films of any inflight breakup (talking about all films of an inflight breakup) that show negative G except for one. It's old flight test footage from the 60's of the F-4 when the plane was under development and they did a low altitude supersonic run. As the plane approached Mach 1 it experienced what's known as "Mach tuck" and the nose pitched down slightly.  Being near the ground the last thing you want is to have your nose pitch down and the pilot made an abrupt nose-up pitch correction that created pilot induced oscillation (PIO).  The PIO created an up and down pitch cycle with the amplitude of the pitch quickly growing and on a tremendously big downward pitch on the third or fourth cycle the wings ripped off (downward) and the plane disintegrated.  This film was used during training at the USNTPS but I've never seen it on the web.  It's a quite interesting film.

[icepac]

You are correct and named the phenomenon I couldn't remember.

PIO is what I was referencing and the dynamic, rather than static, nature of the stress often exceeds G tolerance in a couple of "swings" or "bounces".

Since most all airplanes are stressed higher in the positive G direction, you will find failure more often from negative g.


 

[morfiend]

If I were in your place, chatting with some guys on an internet forum whose credentials I didn't know and with no personal experience in the matter myself I'd go with my dad's story as well.  However, for me, I will have to respectfully disagree with him and go with my own personal experience.  If you do have additional videos please post a link.  The one Brooke posted is by far the best I've seen and I don't recall any films of any inflight breakup (talking about all films of an inflight breakup) that show negative G except for one. It's old flight test footage from the 60's of the F-4 when the plane was under development and they did a low altitude supersonic run. As the plane approached Mach 1 it experienced what's known as "Mach tuck" and the nose pitched down slightly.  Being near the ground the last thing you want is to have your nose pitch down and the pilot made an abrupt nose-up pitch correction that created pilot induced oscillation (PIO).  The PIO created an up and down pitch cycle with the amplitude of the pitch quickly growing and on a tremendously big downward pitch on the third or fourth cycle the wings ripped off (downward) and the plane disintegrated.  This film was used during training at the USNTPS but I've never seen it on the web.  It's a quite interesting film.

  Mace,

  If you dont mind could you let us know how many hours you have?   I'd call you a noob too but then Rodent would just come to your defence!   Hope alls well wih you and yours.



   

  PS: you cant count the swing wing hours cuz that aint flying!

[jd]

I had a good turn fight with Lancs recently. With flaps some of these guys can seem to stop and turn on a dime!!



              

[icepac]

It was fun killing HQ, moving away until base stopped flashing, and coming back to kill the c47s.

I guess asking for a gunner would have yeilded at least 7 dead c47s but I still got a couple before one of the victims upped a la7 and HO'd me.

[Mace2004]

  Mace,

  If you dont mind could you let us know how many hours you have?   I'd call you a noob too but then Rodent would just come to your defence!   Hope alls well wih you and yours.

   

  PS: you cant count the swing wing hours cuz that aint flying!

Howdy Morf.  A bit short of 3.5k, counting swing wing of course.
Things are great. Work and travel are driving me nuts and I only do AH a few times a month but life's good!  Hope you're doing well also!