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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 11:39:22 AM »
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2012, 12:37:45 PM »
Pron on an adroid phone?  Never would have thought about it. But that does explain the app that charges the phone by shaking it up and down......
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2012, 12:49:55 PM »
Pron on an adroid phone?  Never would have thought about it. But that does explain the app that charges the phone by shaking it up and down......
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2012, 01:49:33 PM »
Antivirus on an android is totally unecessary.  If you download an app that boggs down your phone uninstall it.  All the antivirus does is slow down the phone and kill your battery life.

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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2012, 02:58:54 PM »
Antivirus on an android is totally unecessary.  If you download an app that boggs down your phone uninstall it.  All the antivirus does is slow down the phone and kill your battery life.

I don't notice a single difference on my Droid X.  
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2012, 03:08:35 PM »
I don't notice a single difference on my Droid X.  

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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2012, 02:50:01 AM »
Lol gyrene81, more of that "ah hatez teh apple". The fact of the matter happens to be that Apple way has been the best way. Tight content control has kept the iPhone largely problem free.

Nowadays a phone can be directly used to purchase stuff - I would never use a smartphone that's not locked down as tight as possible. Well, unless I happened to be on a prepaid connection which limits the possible damage to 10-20 euros :)

coz yeah apple don't put a singular default SSH password on iOS right  :lol  ... and iphones/ipads don't get hacked faster than a sheeps knickers at blackhat conferences either  :devil

If you look under the hood of iOS and android they're actually very closely related.


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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2012, 06:31:06 AM »
Antivirus on an android is totally unecessary.  If you download an app that boggs down your phone uninstall it.  All the antivirus does is slow down the phone and kill your battery life.

LOL! Famous last words!

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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 06:32:42 AM »
coz yeah apple don't put a singular default SSH password on iOS right  :lol  ... and iphones/ipads don't get hacked faster than a sheeps knickers at blackhat conferences either  :devil

If you look under the hood of iOS and android they're actually very closely related.



Coz yeah non jailbroken iphones do not have ssh ports open. The person who jailbreaks the phone is responsible for setting up ssh then.

iPhones/iPads do not get hacked without being jailbroken, Apple content control has taken and will take care of that.
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2012, 07:42:17 PM »
Coz yeah non jailbroken iphones do not have ssh ports open. The person who jailbreaks the phone is responsible for setting up ssh then.

iPhones/iPads do not get hacked without being jailbroken, Apple content control has taken and will take care of that.

Google also has content control.  You can't develop a virus and stick it in the Google Market, they will remove it.  The only real threat, as with the iPhone and iPad, is downloading apps from sources other than the official stores.  And whether using iOS or Android, if you do wind up getting a virus, you deserved it.

Not many viruses exist for either OS because there just isn't a reason for them.  It is much easier to develop an app that legally takes your information than to develop a virus and ways of transmitting it.  Why bring a virus to them, when you can develop an app that actually gets people to download it.  Neither company is very strict on what information apps can collect.

Why worry about viruses, when both Apple AND Google allow app developers to collect information from you, from legally marketed apps, that don't even make sense for the app?
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2012, 10:20:32 PM »
I own a droidx, it's pretty cool when I got it rooted.  had several roms installed and it worked pretty  good, better than the factory installed rom.  then we found out that one of the roms had a back door on it where the developers could, if they wanted to, have control over our phones.  when it was discovered the developers apologized and said it was never used and a new rom was made without the back door on it.  the developer is now one of the biggest developers on the android market of rooted apps.  I believe him when he said the door was never used, but it has always bothered me to know that he did.


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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2012, 03:06:46 AM »
Google also has content control.  You can't develop a virus and stick it in the Google Market, they will remove it.  The only real threat, as with the iPhone and iPad, is downloading apps from sources other than the official stores.  And whether using iOS or Android, if you do wind up getting a virus, you deserved it.

Not many viruses exist for either OS because there just isn't a reason for them.  It is much easier to develop an app that legally takes your information than to develop a virus and ways of transmitting it.  Why bring a virus to them, when you can develop an app that actually gets people to download it.  Neither company is very strict on what information apps can collect.

Why worry about viruses, when both Apple AND Google allow app developers to collect information from you, from legally marketed apps, that don't even make sense for the app?

1) Google had no content control whatsoever for a couple of years. Literally anyone with an e-mail address and 10 bucks could upload anything they wanted.
2) Google still prunes out about 30% of applications monthly after release to market place due to malware behaviour, also since Android is open for external sources it's dead simple to create a "harmless" app that injects malware code in the phone from an external unrealiable source in form of software update
3) Android OS release model puts the task of updates to the operators. This has lead to operators making changes to Android - called operator back doors. They're a nice and convenient way to bypass any and all security measures built in Android and this is where the inherent insecurity of the Android model comes from. It has NOTHING to do with linux.
4) It's far easier to create an app that calls to payphones 10 000 dollars a pop instead of creating a killer app that everyone wants.

Statistically about 30% of apps in Android store used to have built in malware. And that's just in the official store! Now Google is playing catch up but still plenty of external uncontrolled places to get infections from :)

A smart phone is almost directly equal to your credit card. Would you let your credit card machine have back doors and/or load stuff to it from non-official sources? I bet not. I wouldn't. The only way I'll ever use an Android phone is by pre-paid cards. All the people who got 6 000+ euro or dollar bills from operators have lost the legal battles in the end unless the operator itself had mercy and cut down the payment.
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2012, 03:09:31 AM »
Yes

Here is some info to digest....

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625

Even if android gets built in linux a linux desktop is still not an Android phone :) The operator add-ons is what makes Android a ticking time bomb - and rest assured there will never be operator code in mainstream linux kernel! Those folks are way too security obsessed.
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Re: Virus for android phones?
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2012, 10:50:37 AM »
1) Google had no content control whatsoever for a couple of years. Literally anyone with an e-mail address and 10 bucks could upload anything they wanted.
2) Google still prunes out about 30% of applications monthly after release to market place due to malware behaviour, also since Android is open for external sources it's dead simple to create a "harmless" app that injects malware code in the phone from an external unrealiable source in form of software update
3) Android OS release model puts the task of updates to the operators. This has lead to operators making changes to Android - called operator back doors. They're a nice and convenient way to bypass any and all security measures built in Android and this is where the inherent insecurity of the Android model comes from. It has NOTHING to do with linux.
4) It's far easier to create an app that calls to payphones 10 000 dollars a pop instead of creating a killer app that everyone wants.

Statistically about 30% of apps in Android store used to have built in malware. And that's just in the official store! Now Google is playing catch up but still plenty of external uncontrolled places to get infections from :)

A smart phone is almost directly equal to your credit card. Would you let your credit card machine have back doors and/or load stuff to it from non-official sources? I bet not. I wouldn't. The only way I'll ever use an Android phone is by pre-paid cards. All the people who got 6 000+ euro or dollar bills from operators have lost the legal battles in the end unless the operator itself had mercy and cut down the payment.

I just read that 45% of Apple Apps have malware/viruses.  So by those figures you stated, that makes Android 15% safer.  Your rebuttal? 

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