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Offline Tracerfi

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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2012, 02:53:38 PM »
nor the FOOL flying it

suicide weapons will never be in AH
I know that now I did not know that earlier please stop posting on this you have already shot this idea down now its just overkill
 
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2012, 02:56:07 PM »
How many even got close enough to launch?  As I recall the single biggest failure point was the G4M2 mothership, which was extremely vulnerable and easy to intercept.

They could be launched from 50 miles out, once the rocket motor fires it cannot be intercepted, problem was there wasn't hundreds of G4m2s or Baka's, only a handful available.

Given how many ships were damaged/sunk its a huge gamble and a big failure, one that will not be added into Aces high thankfully.

Want to BAKA a carrier? take lancs to 10k then dive bomb it as most idiots usually do.
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2012, 03:08:39 PM »
I was under the impression that of all the G4M2+Ohka sorties launched only three or so actually survived to launch the Ohka.

I also thought it had a 20 mile range.

As to it being added to AH, of course not.
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2012, 03:59:14 PM »
I know that now I did not know that earlier please stop posting on this you have already shot this idea down now its just overkill
 
but this was only one of two posts in this thread by me? and it came as a response to your post backing your argument up. its not overkill if im answering your addressed case for the argument? <S>
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2012, 04:31:11 PM »
but this was only one of two posts in this thread by me? and it came as a response to your post backing your argument up. its not overkill if im answering your addressed case for the argument? <S>
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2012, 05:32:07 PM »
I was under the impression that of all the G4M2+Ohka sorties launched only three or so actually survived to launch the Ohka.

I also thought it had a 20 mile range.

As to it being added to AH, of course not.

I can't specifically remember, I do know it was one of the many failed kamikaze weapons like the Human torpedo, and suicide boats.

Here's (ugh) wikipedia's information:
On 21 March 1945, 16 Ohka-carrying "Betty" bombers were to be escorted by 55 Zeros to attack Task Group 58.1 (Hornet, Bennington, Wasp, and Belleau Wood). Another two "Bettys" were to escort and provide navigation and observation. Due to technical problems, 25 Zeros had to turn back or could not take off. The Ohka attack force was intercepted by 16 US Navy Grumman F6F Hellcat fighters and the Ohkas were immediately jettisoned by the "Bettys," some 113 km (70 mi) from the target. None of the "Bettys" returned, no ships were attacked and 16 of the Jinrai Butai were killed, with only 15 damaged Zeros making it back to their base.

Attacks intensified in April 1945. On 1 April 1945, six "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. At least one made a successful attack, with its Ohka thought to hit one of the 406 mm (16 in) turrets on the battleship West Virginia, causing moderate damage. Postwar analysis indicated that no hits were recorded and that a near-miss took place.[14] The transports Alpine, Achernar, and Tyrrell were also hit by kamikaze aircraft, but it is unclear whether any of these were Ohkas from the other "Bettys". None of the "Bettys" returned.

The American military quickly realized the danger and concentrated on extending their "defensive rings" outward to intercept the "Betty"/Ohka combination aircraft before the suicide mission could be launched.[14] On 12 April 1945, nine "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. The destroyer Mannert L. Abele was hit, broke in two, and sank, witnessed by LSMR-189 CO James M. Stewart. Jeffers destroyed an Ohka with AA fire 45 m (50 yd) from the ship, but the resulting explosion was still powerful enough to cause extensive damage, forcing Jeffers to withdraw. The destroyer Stanly was attacked by two Ohkas. One struck just above the waterline just behind the ship's bow, with the charge punching completely through the other side of the hull before splashing into the sea and detonating like a depth charge, causing little damage to the ship, and the other Ohka narrowly missed (likely due to the pilot being killed by anti-aircraft fire) and crashed into the sea, knocking off the Stanly's ensign in the process. One Betty returned. On 14 April 1945, seven "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. None returned. None of the Ohkas appeared to have been launched. Two days later, six "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. Two returned, but no Ohkas hit their targets. Later, on 28 April 1945, four "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa at night. One returned. No hits were recorded.[14]

May 1945 saw another series of attacks. On 4 May 1945, seven "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. One Ohka hit the bridge of a minesweeper, Shea, causing extensive damage and casualties. Gayety was also damaged by a near-miss by an Ohka. One "Betty" returned. On 11 May 1945, four "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. The destroyer Hugh W. Hadley was hit and suffered extensive damage and flooding. The vessel was judged beyond repair. On 25 May 1945, 11 "Bettys" attacked the US Fleet off Okinawa. Bad weather forced most of the aircraft to turn back, and none of the others scored hits.

On 22 June 1945, six "Bettys" attacked the U.S. Fleet off Okinawa. Two returned, but no hits were scored. Postwar analysis concluded that the Ohka's impact was negligible with no US Navy capital ships actually hit during their attacks due to an extremely effective set of defensive tactics that were employed.

This being said, adding it in game would be a serious problem - as we do NOT have heavy defensive tactics for carriers instead people would just up 1 base over with an Ohka and launch at the radar ring.

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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2012, 09:25:08 PM »
They could be launched from 50 miles out, once the rocket motor fires it cannot be intercepted, problem was there wasn't hundreds of G4m2s or Baka's, only a handful available.

Given how many ships were damaged/sunk its a huge gamble and a big failure, one that will not be added into Aces high thankfully.

Want to BAKA a carrier? take lancs to 10k then dive bomb it as most idiots usually do.


     Hmmm, a rocket plane that can outrun a VT fuse would be impressive indeed.  For that matter one that could outrun 20 and 40mm or
even .50s would also be impressive.  The only Ohka I ever saw was at the Garber facility in Silverhill, MD before they moved most of that
facility to the new NASM annex.  It didn't even have a rocket motor, but a jet with a piston engine driven compressor.  Apparently the pilot
aimed with a ring and post sight mounted to the nose.  I guess the US's secret weapon would be a guy with a pair of pliers bending the post  :D
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2012, 05:43:28 AM »
No. This isn't Missile Command.

 Kamikaze's and Suicide rockets were last ditch efforts (largely) and were the result of a critical and crippling shortage of skilled pilots (veterans and Aces).  It just doesn't make any sense to add them other than being an easy and very cheap way to kill things to earn points, and would ultimately kill game play. I would even say No to the V-1 and V-2 emphatically for the same reasons.
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2012, 09:04:49 AM »
     I think alot of folks would be surprised at just how difficult it would be to hit an AH target with a V weapon.
Of course alot of folks here know exactly how futile that would be  :devil
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2012, 02:21:07 AM »
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2012, 02:23:16 AM »
     How many ships did this almost unstoppable super weapon sink anyway?

As Karnak said,  One destroyer and severely damaged another.  It was a Allen M. Sumner class DD, Named Laffy.
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2012, 02:25:23 AM »
As for my opinion on the wish,  I don't believe the Ohka should be added.  It's kinda pointless even if you do perk it.  I can already see people ramming tanks and vh's.  Such a small quantity of them was built anyways.
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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2012, 01:24:49 PM »
As Karnak said,  One destroyer and severely damaged another.  It was a Allen M. Sumner class DD, Named Laffy.

Out of 7 ships hit, 3 were damaged enough that the ships either sunk or were considered beyond repair.  There is another ship, USS Twiggs, that crew members claimed to have been hit simultaneously by an Ohka and a kamikazi plane but official reports state that USS Twiggs was hit by a torpdedo and a kamikazi attack.  

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Re: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ("Baka")
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2012, 02:07:50 PM »
I've always found this video quite thought provoking and moving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEWTM9VYKfs

You can roughly approximate the attack profile with a Ki-61 if you time the dive correctly. Quite difficult to do in fact.

The turbojet version would have increased launch distance and might have been a real nuisance. I hope to go and see an Ohka this summer. I want to inspect the canopy arrangement for myself. Will share the photographs.

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