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190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« on: May 26, 2012, 07:47:13 PM »
Should a 190 be able to roll faster than the internet can keep up with via lag?  I've got a perfect connection and 90% of all 190s I see warp on their X axis.

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2012, 07:54:42 PM »
When you and 39 of your friends all horde the same area all at once it just may slow down the internets.
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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2012, 08:10:18 PM »
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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2012, 08:23:11 PM »
When you and 39 of your friends all horde the same area all at once it just may slow down the internets.
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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 08:49:42 PM »
Should a 190 be able to roll faster than the internet can keep up with via lag?  I've got a perfect connection and 90% of all 190s I see warp on their X axis.
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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 11:53:31 PM »
« Last Edit: May 27, 2012, 12:16:07 AM by Pand »

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 12:00:29 AM »
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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 01:17:00 AM »
This warp applies just to the 190 :rofl

I have see no warping, its probly because your looking for it :old:

And its probly true that lots of people. on a six affects lag :old:

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 03:08:44 AM »
ok lag effects all but if you would pull up these chart's and I used the 51d as a comparison for this with the different speed and all here is the sample below: wep normal, and cruise

http://www.hitechcreations.com/component/option,com_ahplaneperf/Itemid,221/view,ahplaneperf/index.php


from my past flights in the 190d9( and I have applied all) I have been able to out roll any plane that have encountered me ( even tho sometimes I get lucky and force an over shoot , other times I end up loosing with this move)

so in my mind this thread is kind of a dead end since no one's internet connection is the same and all effect's of the planes are different and right now it seems like this pilot has not dealt with 190d9's before in a fight with the roles and they are asking about net stuff and all.


this also kind of goes to other post in the past about certain plane's about being able to go thru active auto gun's and cv's guns with out a a scratch on them...

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2012, 03:13:13 AM »
Should a 190 be able to roll faster than the internet can keep up with via lag?  I've got a perfect connection and 90% of all 190s I see warp on their X axis.

In warbirds roll rates were slowed down for this reason. It made the feel pretty horrible.
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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2012, 03:22:44 AM »
Lets kill them before they start to roll     :old:

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2012, 03:45:40 AM »
they can roll all they want, you still use your sense to predict their next move.  and if they pull in the roll they snap roll, and with no e you get them in the down.  It may look fancy, but a vector roll is still going somewhere. . .

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2012, 03:59:04 AM »
so in my mind this thread is kind of a dead end since no one's internet connection is the same and all effect's of the planes are different and right now it seems like this pilot has not dealt with 190d9's before in a fight with the roles and they are asking about net stuff and all.
Been flying aces for 10 years+, and while I have noticed this previously, it was few and far between that I would actually see people flying 190s, so no big deal.    Apparently 190s in the game today are as popular as the 'Spice Girls' were in the 90s, and I fight multiples on almost every sortie so the occurance of this issue has increased considerably.  I don't have this issue with any other aircraft, but when saddling a 190, they will start to twist one way, then 'warp' twist the other way.  I am assuming due to net lag, while the 190 has completed almost a full rotation on the 190's FE, the packet transferring his position over the network to the attackers FE sees it closer of a rotation in the opposite direction so it renders the movement that way.  Throw in about 5 or 6 packets with a 190 violently flailing about and you have no way to judge what direction the 190's X axis is actually rotating.  

Granted I still kill them most of the time; however, with more and more people flying the german iron, it's more apparent that this advantage is due to the network and the way FE's communicate, and not an aircraft or pilot one as I believe it should be.  :salute

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Re: 190 Roll Rate vs. Internet Lag
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 04:31:48 AM »
My take on the 190a8 and roll

190a8  gives you, and opponent a roll surprise the 190a8 can use to its advantage:

In a A8 just pull up fast at any altitude, and the machine snap-rolls and lose speed like hitting a wall, if con are within 400 yards, preferably at 200, making almost an impossible target.

This last resort move can give you a snapshot on the con passing you, unless he already didn't collide or auger trying to follow that strange behaviour.


It  gives you the "huh?" feeling if you are not prepared for it.

Maybe something its not correctly modelled.... ?


Again, remodelling the A-series with lower roll rate for less net-lag problems , will rob the 190A-s of its one and only advantage in the game, something it had IRL.


I've read 190A-s voluntarily did enter a spin at 20k altitude to get away from a fight, but on the deck I have not....

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