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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2012, 04:54:08 PM »
If the Me 410 is in the game by October (which sounds like it will be the case), it will be in the next scenario "Der Grosse Schlag II" (a late-war 8th AF vs. Luftwaffe fight).

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2012, 04:57:32 PM »
Please fly one as the Mustangs of the 364th Fighter Group really want to shoot them :aok
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2012, 04:58:43 PM »
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #93 on: May 29, 2012, 05:15:56 PM »
I made a rough graph some times ago, showing shell drop over distance. Axis' are not to scale:

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German gun data was taken from original documents, I had a hard time finding any numbers for allied guns. I had to compute the .50 cal trajectory, but take that with a grain of salt...

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #94 on: May 29, 2012, 05:21:36 PM »
I made a rough graph some times ago, showing shell drop over distance. Axis' are not to scale:

(Image removed from quote.)

German gun data was taken from original documents, I had a hard time finding any numbers for allied guns. I had to compute the .50 cal trajectory, but take that with a grain of salt...

With this graph if I am correct the Bk5 and Mk103s would be damn well accurate to 1k out with a plane flying straight and level without much adjustment.

Question: where is it posted the gun packages (mk103 for example)
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #95 on: May 29, 2012, 05:23:54 PM »
Whats surprising, according to that graph, the 151/20 isnt much better than the FF or the tater. Its a bit weird couse they "feel" totally different in game.
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #96 on: May 29, 2012, 05:25:51 PM »
The BK5 should not get any AP, and with that the 410 should not be much different than the 110 in that role. A20 will still rule ;)

Well that's a little silly. If you don't get any AP ammo for the BK5, then why fly it against GV's? Does it still possess a significant GV threat without 50mm AP ammo?

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #97 on: May 29, 2012, 05:26:00 PM »
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #98 on: May 29, 2012, 05:29:29 PM »
I know.  I was supporting his position.

Humm........ Didn't read like it........just sayin'.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #99 on: May 29, 2012, 05:34:26 PM »
Please fly one as the Mustangs of the 364th Fighter Group really want to shoot them :aok

Same with the Mustangs of the 4th FG.

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #100 on: May 29, 2012, 05:52:13 PM »
Well that's a little silly. If you don't get any AP ammo for the BK5, then why fly it against GV's?

I have yet to see any reference of 410s being equipped with AP rounds and being used as a tankbuster.
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #101 on: May 29, 2012, 06:03:29 PM »
With this graph if I am correct the Bk5 and Mk103s would be damn well accurate to 1k out with a plane flying straight and level without much adjustment.

Question: where is it posted the gun packages (mk103 for example)

MK 103 had a particular style muzzle brake, you can see them in one of the pics.  I wouldn't think they would tease us like that and not cough them up, or would they :noid

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #102 on: May 29, 2012, 06:04:53 PM »
Whats surprising, according to that graph, the 151/20 isnt much better than the FF or the tater. Its a bit weird couse they "feel" totally different in game.

What may distort the perception of the graph by a little is that there are two very different weapon sets in it: One high velocity group (MK 103, 0.50 cal, BK-5) and the rest. If I would take out the HV group and would show only the 'ordinary' guns, the differences between the MG 151/20 and the MG-FF would seem to be somewhat bigger.

But then, according to the data from Erprobungstelle Rechlin, both rounds are't exactly worlds apart.
MG-FFM, 2cm Minen m Zerleger: 695 m/sec muzzle velocity, time to 400m 0.8 seconds
MG 151/20, 2cm Minen m Zerleger: 775 m/sec muzzle velocity, time to 400m 0.7 seconds
(The Mk 103 Minen projectile would take just over 0.5 seconds for the same distance)

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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #103 on: May 29, 2012, 06:05:10 PM »
MK 103 had a particular style muzzle brake, you can see them in one of the pics.  I wouldn't think they would tease us like that and not cough them up, or would they :noid

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ahhh ok I could not see the photos that well, on my cell phone :(
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Re: It Got Bigggg Guns. Me410 on Front Page.
« Reply #104 on: May 29, 2012, 06:07:23 PM »
ahhh ok I could not see the photos that well, on my cell phone :(
They also mention both the Mk103 and BK5 in the header to the screenshots.


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