a different ENY horse to beat

[tunnelrat]

No disrespect intended but at MA altitudes, 51B is little different from the 51D in the role being described here.  It's not that much of a hindrance going from a D to a B.

Wiley.

I agree to a loose extent... you lose 1/3rd of your firepower,  you can rip wings in high speed maneuvers quite easily... the Ki-84 is plenty fast, and packs far, far more firepower, but the 51B is still a good plane.

The point is, no matter what happens, unless Pand decides to walk into a fight like an idiot - giving up all his advantages, and playing into his enemies advantages - it'll never be good enough... and the bleating will continue.

[Debrody]

So who fights is an idiot. Thank you for sharing us your absolutely intelligent opinion. I will keep it in mind when i try to subscribe a combat game next time.
 

[Pand]

No disrespect intended but at MA altitudes, 51B is little different from the 51D in the role being described here.  It's not that much of a hindrance going from a D to a B.

Wiley.

I prefer the B as it turns a little tighter and I get much more performance out of it at altitude.  The big hinderance is the 4x50s, I will often have to land multiple snapshots for a kill while those cannon birds only need one.

[kilo2]

I see his point if I come into a fight with an advantage I am going to try and keep it. If it starts to take too long to kill him I will give it up to try and end it.

In the MA environment the longer the fight last the bigger chance you are going to get picked.


As for Pand I have never seen him low and slow, although I am sure it has happened.

I have seen him run off a couple of times.

[tunnelrat]

So who fights is an idiot. Thank you for sharing us your absolutely intelligent opinion. I will keep it in mind when i try to subscribe a combat game next time.
 

Good sirah,

I never called you (or anyone else) an idiot.

Are we having a language barrier issue here? <-- I am saying this with all sincerity, as we appear to be failing to understand each other.

[Wiley]

I prefer the B as it turns a little tighter and I get much more performance out of it at altitude.  The big hinderance is the 4x50s, I will often have to land multiple snapshots for a kill while those cannon birds only need one.

That's about my (very limited) experience with it as well.  In my experience 4x50 vs 6x50 doesn't make that much of a difference in a snapshot.  50s don't really meet my criteria for 'effective snapshots' unless you've got 8 of em or he happens to be at convergence.

Wiley.

[Pand]

So who fights is an idiot. Thank you for sharing us your absolutely intelligent opinion. I will keep it in mind when i try to subscribe a combat game next time.
 

No, I believe what is being implied is that he who enters a fight at a disadvantage and loses is not evaluating the situation properly (assumuming your goal is to stay alive-- if you're there for a different purpose then all power to you).

[Debrody]

Yups, you got it.
My goal wasnt to stay alive. Just wanted a fight. The ones i respected the most, came down to me, gave me a fight instead of the BnZ, played my game and still won. I found their behaviour generous and honorable, also fun. I can list names if you want... Joachim, Spek, Krup, Tongs, Latrobe, RedBull, IrishOne, Greebo, Ink, Kazan, 8spade, Shemp, etc etc

[The Fugitive]

I'm sure we can all agree that a Ta152 "should" be flown in an "energy" style much like the ponies. The difference between "bore-n-zoom" someone to death and "fighting" is apparent in this film posted in the 190 thread. Moot "Fighting" in a Ta152

[Pand]

Yups, you got it.
My goal wasnt to stay alive. Just wanted a fight. The ones i respected the most, came down to me, gave me a fight instead of the BnZ, played my game and still won. I can list names if you want.

Posting names is unnecessary.   However, were they immediately picked by the next one or two guys that came along now that they were low and slow?  Likely, at least that's my reward for winning a low and slow turnfight in my pony. 

9 or 10 years ago, I used to fly different aircraft and go for the turn fighting glory, but kept getting picked by those pesky faster aircraft.  Solution, become one of the pesky faster aircraft and have some amazing team dogfights against similar aircraft between 15-22K.   Good fun!   

[Pand]

That's about my (very limited) experience with it as well.  In my experience 4x50 vs 6x50 doesn't make that much of a difference in a snapshot.  50s don't really meet my criteria for 'effective snapshots' unless you've got 8 of em or he happens to be at convergence.

Wiley.

That is the true key, and what makes it difficult.  Make everything happen at convergence.  I would say that my accuracy in the Bravo is very good, and I'm effective at utilizing the 4x50's.  When we're doing a jabo run and I'm in the Delta (for the 2 1000lbers and rockets) fighting after an attack, to me the 6x50's feel like I'm shooting cannons. 

[ink]

yes I am talking out my arse

because your countless "engagements" are in your mind and not reality.... now if you talk about your countless gangs well then you may be speaking the truth.

I don't need to reread that post I know exactly what I wrote....your point is?????  I should respect him because he is a vet?????   talks about Honor and Respect when he has none????? pfft    I give exactly what I get..... you deserve respect you get it from me...you act like a tard I call you out on it.....

exactly how did I "act" ????  I doubt I "cried" about dieing I don't often say anything to anyone when I die..although "good shot" or "nice one" is often sent forth to a good nme......lets see some screen shots of my crying.....or better yet a film on youtube  if you HOed there is a good chance I called ya a HO tard but even that is not often.....

I can post the one I have named "pandtard" of you running away while I am trying to catch you...but realizing your cowardly ways you wouldn't fight me and seeing about 9 other red guys BELOW me so I try engage them and THEN you want to come and fight....while I am fighting other red guys you pick me ....even then I didn't say anything to you.....




so I take it you wont step up and fight me..without all your friends around........figures.....

another couple wannabe lying tardly names to add to the tard list

[tunnelrat]

<<standard fare>>

When I found out Debrody was a kid, it made a lot of sense.

You sir, are a conundrum.

[ink]

When I found out Debrody was a kid, it made a lot of sense.

You sir, are a conundrum.

sorry...but once you are placed on the tard list...I have nothing for ya.... I come to realize you are so low in intelligence I refuse have a convo due to hurting my brain.



 

[Pand]

because your countless "engagements" are in your mind and not reality.... now if you talk about your countless gangs well then you may be speaking the truth.

I don't need to reread that post I know exactly what I wrote....your point is?????  I should respect him because he is a vet?????   talks about Honor and Respect when he has none????? pfft    I give exactly what I get..... you deserve respect you get it from me...you act like a tard I call you out on it.....

exactly how did I "act" ????  I doubt I "cried" about dieing I don't often say anything to anyone when I die..although "good shot" or "nice one" is often sent forth to a good nme......lets see some screen shots of my crying.....or better yet a film on youtube  if you HOed there is a good chance I called ya a HO tard but even that is not often.....

I can post the one I have named "pandtard" of you running away while I am trying to catch you...but realizing your cowardly ways you wouldn't fight me and seeing about 9 other red guys BELOW me so I try engage them and THEN you want to come and fight....while I am fighting other red guys you pick me ....even then I didn't say anything to you.....

so I take it you wont step up and fight me..without all your friends around........figures.....

another couple wannabe lying tardly names to add to the tard list

I truly hope that this is just your developed internet persona, and that your family/friends in your real-life do not have to appease this behavior.  Good luck and good hunting.