a different ENY horse to beat

[ACE]

If you think spits are cheating ink than you must think the hurri2 is aswell lol.  Other than its speed comeon

[JOACH1M]

La-7 eats lighting and craps thunder.


Better watch for them La's they awsome planes.

[ink]

the speed is a huge factor... its way to slow to be really dangerous....and very easy to avoid.... keeping up SA that is....and spotting a bad situation ahead of time....the cannons are what makes the Hurri dangerous its turning is good but not the best.... its climb sux its speed sux....

It still comes down to how it is flown..... yes it is easy but not like the spits or LA....although like most planes in the hands of someone who really knows it, and who is great at ACM....it really is extremely dangerous more so then most...

the big difference between the hurri and the spits.... is the spits are good/better then average  at everything....they are extremely forgiving planes.
 

[Pand]

maybe you should look in the mirror

I teach my kids first and foremost TRUTH second RESPECT and thirdly HONOR

if you take offense at what I said....when I did not insult you as a person but spoke the straight up truth about your lame game play....YOU are the one with the issues.

because you or he is a "vet" you should be respected even though you show NO respect or HONOR what so ever...please....

he talks about being a marine and having those values of "leaving no one behind" in a GAME when your GAME play is anything but Honorable. that to me is pathetic and dishonors those that died as as Veterans...and is as bogus a reason for cheap game play there is

I asked him...I will ask you...where is the HONOR/RESPECT in attacking one con with your whole squad...please explain that to me....

so ya now that you are here I hereby challenge YOU to the DA/MA in a 1vs1 fight your plane against my plane best of ten.....personally I don't think you will win one....actually I don't even think you will take me up on the offer because you have NO CLUE what HONOR/RESPECT is and are far too worried about your cartoon life to actually fight....without your squad backing you up.

I wish you would re-read your mr. marine post.

We already did a 1v1 back in LWTour147 (apparently we met twice, but I don't recall the other). 
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsinm.php?playername=Pand&selectTour=LWTour147&kindex=78&pindex=45

I remember it very clearly as you did not act RESPECTfully or HONORably after the fight was resolved. 

1.  I came in at 12,000ft, about 6,000ft above you, west of furball island.
2.  You were in an KI-84, I was in a P-51B.  I utilized my energy and was forced to burn off most of it to get down to a slow enough speed to maneuver for a shot, without letting you overtake my energy advantage.
3.  Took me way longer than it should have, 6 or 7 passes, because you are a skilled pilot in your 84. 
4.  Piece by piece, pass after pass, with my 4x50's, I was eventually able to nibble a wing off to complete the engagement.  I'm sure it was just luck, or maybe a bit of discipline, that I didn't pull *too* hard and bleed enough energy to give you the edge you needed to land a cannon round and blow me up.

We have two different fighting styles:
1.  I fly fast and utilize my aircraft to it's advantage.  I enjoy the challenge of landing enough of my 4x50's into a guy to execute enough damage necessary to take a critical piece of his airframe.  I fly with a team, a group of people I now call my friends, and we have fun fighting and working together.  It gets to be real fun when we have another squad in the same area doing the same to us   We also work and plan base captures, fly FSO's, scenarios, fighter sweeps, etc, all in good fun, and we try to simulate as much realism as possible.

2.  You fly in the turn, lone wolf style, and utilize your aircraft and weaponry to it's advantage.  As many people as you can bait to come in and turn fight with you, you're going to school them on what a Ki-84 is capable of, kill them and be ready for the next sucker.  Congratulations, you are a skilled dog fighter with the 1v1 in mind, and that aircraft can maintain a low and slow fighting style, engagement after engagement.

I'm not going to put on a show for the masses, and I am not going to continue this back and forth; however, I will keep my eyes open for a ki-84 on the deck spinning circles around my fellow countrymen.  I will say we might run into each other more often if you were up around 15K--- but then again that's unlikely since you'll have a 50mph disadvantage vs my Bravo up there.

I'm not the best dogfighter in a P-51B (for fightin) or P-51D (for bombin) and will never claim to be.   I do feel that I utilize each aircraft well for what it was designed to do.  Have to try to lead by example.

I am surprised that no one is piping in about my countless engagements I've had low and slow on the deck, winning some and losing some, as if I am nothing but a 20K pony that never comes down.  A little disheartening, but as such, so is life.

[ACE]

I still think its one of the easiest planes to fly.  Im not taking credit away from you flying it.  Just saying its not all that difficult to fly..  

[Debrody]

So... you came with 6k advantage in a much faster ride that can dive at 550mph and you won? Even proud you havent even tryed to give him a fight? Congrats. Whatever you call your pi...  ehm flying style, it wont change our opinion about you. My 2 cents.

[Lusche]

Vinky,
just a spark of an idea... been thinking on a system where you have an "eny bank", the average eny of the planes you fly should remain above a number, lets say, 12. If you want to fly 262s and tempests, you have to do some sorties in a lesser eny ride

It's already in the game, as it's virtually impossible to fly 262's without regularly going back to higher ENY rides. Next to nobody is able to sustain 262 flights without a bigger bank of perks. At an average perk bonus one would need an average K/D of 600 to be able to sustain jet operations on the perks earned by the jet alone. For a Tempest, you'd still have to get a theoretical average K/D of 150. Of course you could try to optimize that by flying at times with high perk bonus and targeting low eny fighters, but you can push it only so far.

[tunnelrat]

So... you came with 6k advantage in a much faster ride that can dive at 550mph and you won? Even proud you havent even tryed to give him a fight? Congrats. Whatever you call your pi...  ehm flying style, it wont change our opinion about you. My 2 cents.

Do you realize just how idiotic statements like this are?  "you havent even tryed to give him a fight"... should he have made an appointment?  Chopped his throttle to give his enemy an advantage?

You keep spewing this garbage, and it's impossible to take seriously.

20 ENY LW plane vs 20 ENY MW plane.  20 ENY LW plane lost.  Crying ensued.

End of story.

(EDIT: Site says Ki-84 is 15 ENY... this is apparently not the case, and should be changed as in-game the plane is 20 ENY)

[Butcher]

In 1 year I fly nothing above 20+ eny rides and massed 10,000 fighter perks.

If I didn't quit the game so many times I Probably would of had over 40,000 fighter perks I would guess over the years, thus being said - I rarely hop in Perk Planes, and its generally a drunken state because I will lose 2-3 262s screwin around.

I think with the amount of perks we have, certain planes like  Spit 16 and P51 should be perked, why? if I can mass this many perks - what else do I have to spend it on? F4u4? 262?

Its not entirely hard to drum up some perks, fly a few low eny rides and you can afford luxuries.

[tunnelrat]

It's already in the game, as it's virtually impossible to fly 262's without regularly going back to higher ENY rides. Next to nobody is able to sustain 262 flights without a bigger bank of perks. At an average perk bonus one would need an average K/D of 600 to be able to sustain jet operations on the perks earned by the jet alone. For a Tempest, you'd still have to get a theoretical average K/D of 150. Of course you could try to optimize that by flying at times with high perk bonus and targeting low eny fighters, but you can push it only so far.

And THIS is why 262s are as deadly as they are....  262 addicts hone their skills saving up their perks flying the higher ENY planes.  I can tell in about 10 seconds whether or not the 262 saddling up on my bomber is for real or not.  Unfortunately, most ARE...  

[Debrody]

Snail,
i brought up that idea couse if an aircraft is perked, you would like to avoid the hot situations becouse if you get killed, you lose the perks. In the system i sketched, the average eny would be based on the sorties flown, ergo upping a high end aircraft would take your quota anyway, dogfighting (and eventually dieing) in them wouldnt make you lose what you lost already by upping it.
Thats why its better than the "put a perk price of 1-2 to the pony", it isnt encouraging the cowardice.
And over this, the oroginal perk system could still remain, couse the usage of the 262s and temps should be very heavily limited imo.

Btw Mr Tunnelrat, chill plz i wasnt calling you names. Never said BnZing should be forbidden, it just gives me more satisfaction when i play my opponents game (for example turn a 109g with a spit) and still win.

[tunnelrat]

In 1 year I fly nothing above 20+ eny rides and massed 10,000 fighter perks.

If I didn't quit the game so many times I Probably would of had over 40,000 fighter perks I would guess over the years, thus being said - I rarely hop in Perk Planes, and its generally a drunken state because I will lose 2-3 262s screwin around.

I think with the amount of perks we have, certain planes like  Spit 16 and P51 should be perked, why? if I can mass this many perks - what else do I have to spend it on? F4u4? 262?

Its not entirely hard to drum up some perks, fly a few low eny rides and you can afford luxuries.

I am waaaaay too newb to make a suggestion of this nature without the caveat that YES, I KNOW I AM A NEWB AND THIS IS PROBABLY STUPID, but:

I think any plane sub-10 ENY (and maybe higher than that) should be 1 perk minimum.  Yes, even the P-51D.  I dunno, something about having some skin in the game makes things more exciting to me.

[Wiley]

Do you realize just how idiotic statements like this are?  "you havent even tryed to give him a fight"... should he have made an appointment?  Chopped his throttle to give his enemy an advantage?

You keep spewing this garbage, and it's impossible to take seriously.

15 ENY LW plane vs 20 ENY MW plane.  15 ENY LW plane lost.  Crying ensued.

End of story.

No disrespect intended but at MA altitudes, 51B is little different from the 51D in the role being described here.  It's not that much of a hindrance going from a D to a B.

Wiley.

[tunnelrat]

Snail,
i brought up that idea couse if an aircraft is perked, you would like to avoid the hot situations becouse if you get killed, you lose the perks. In the system i sketched, the average eny would be based on the sorties flown, ergo upping a high end aircraft would take your quota anyway, dogfighting (and eventually dieing) in them wouldnt make you lose what you lost already by upping it.
Thats why its better than the "put a perk price of 1-2 to the pony", it isnt encouraging the cowardice.

Debrody, are you saying that... say a plane is 10 perks, you simply lose those perks when you up it?  I.e., may as well go for broke?  Or am I reading that wrong?  Because that is definitely an interesting idea.

[Pand]

My 2 cents.

Keep the change, thanks!