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Offline Karnak

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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2012, 09:08:34 AM »
Thats kinda the point of this whole thing is to make them more usefull
How would making them grossly outnumbered make them more useful?

Bombers:

Ar234
G4M1
Ju88A-4
Ki-67

vs

B-17G
B-24J
B-25C
B-26B
B-29A
Boston Mk III
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk XVI


Strike aircraft:

D3A1
Ju87D-3
Ju87G-2

vs

A-20G
B-25H
Hurricane Mk IId
Il-2 3M
SBD-5


While the Axis would have the classic N1K2-J and Bf110G-2 mix for base attack, the Allies P-38s, P-47s, P-51s, Mossies and Typhoons would be far more effective.

The places the Axis wins is in hyper advanced units with the Ar234, Me163 and Me262 and in GVs with the Ostwind, Panther V G, Tiger I, Tiger II and Wirbelwind.  The lack of a good bomber pretty much means that they cannot capitalize on the lack of Allied Me163s.
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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2012, 09:50:58 AM »
If I remember correctly we have an arena just for the purposes of Axis vs Allied. Maybe the OP can ask to join the cm team of the AvA and get the setup he seeks.

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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2012, 09:56:14 AM »
Except that it's more of a special events arena than a true axis vs allies.

Says the dude with exacly one sortie in the AVA?  Some of the best fights I have had are in there. Would be nice to see more  squads making thmselves a 'AVA night' like some recent squads have. Tuesdays are usually pretty busy but it  woudl be nice if more nights were busier this would make the arena less "Special eventy" as hopefully there would be a regualar population in there .
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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2012, 02:12:12 AM »
Except that it's more of a special events arena than a true axis vs allies.

Out of curiosity, what would you consider a true axis vs allies arena?

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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2012, 08:47:21 AM »
Thats kinda the point of this whole thing is to make them more usefull
It would not make them useful.  It would break the game.

In order to make such a system work HTC would need to add aircraft that saw limited or no service and forcibly balance sides, which means, by Lusche's numbers, 2 out of 10 players would be forced into Axis aircraft when they wanted Allied aircraft.

Required additions:

Aircraft:
A7M2 'Sam': Japanese carrier fighter intended to replace the A6M, 7 prototypes built, no service
B7A 'Grace': Potent Japanese carrier bomber and torpedo plane, 114 built, all carriers lost before entering service
G8N1 'Rita': Japanese heavy bomber that never got past prototype stage due to the end of the war
H8K2 ''Emily': Japanese flying boat that could be used as a heavy bomber with good defenses, 112 built, heavy use
He177A-5: German quasi-heavy bomber, about 1100 built, light use due to persistent reliability issues
Meteor Mk III: British jet fighter, few built, no air-to-air combat versus manned aircraft
P.108: Italian heavy bomber, 24 built, light use

Note:  Allies possession of the B-29A would hopefully be balanced by the Axis possession of the Me163B

GVs:
M26 Pershing: American heavy tank, only 20 saw combat in WWII per wiki
Skink: Canadian quad 20mm AA vehicle build on a Sherman chassis, per wiki 1 saw combat
Boats:
S-Boot: German fast torpedo boat
Allow Axis fleets to have proximity fuses or remove proximity fuses from the Allies.  For fleet survivability the prior is better for gameplay, for historical accuracy the latter is better.
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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 02:21:25 AM »
It seems to me that you have lost sight of the opening argument
The british/russians would be seperated from the americans
To me it seems the all the axis needs is a heavy bomber and all things are pretty much equal
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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 03:09:46 AM »
     I have a tough time seeing how limiting our choices would improve gameplay.  This is not a WW2 simulator.
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Re: assigned sides for the battlefield evolution question
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 08:37:30 AM »
It seems to me that you have lost sight of the opening argument
The british/russians would be seperated from the americans
To me it seems the all the axis needs is a heavy bomber and all things are pretty much equal
Really?

The extremely vulnerable Lancaster is the match of the B-17G, B-24J, B-29A and (G8N1, H8K2, He177A-5 or P.108 {pick one})?  The Mosquito Mk VI (the only long ranged fighter on your British/Russian side) is a match for the Ki-84-I, P47N, P-51B, P-51D and Ta152H-1?  The M4A3(76) and Sherman VC 'Firefly' are the match of the Tiger II?

No, I think you are very wrong.
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