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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 09:53:50 AM »
First off, didnt most pilots have a line of sight OVER the guns sights rather than having to look through them to fly???  Planes like the Tempest and the later sights used by the USAF in WWII were not limited to a small 4in square piece of glass mounted on the instrument panel.

For me, the jury is out on this one because of all the other "realism" factors involved.  Technically, HTC could give all pilot a locked default view of X height up from the seat and then require the pilot to dip/move his head to view the gun sight.  Think about it.  Did the fighter pilots fly around %100 of the time looking through the sights?  I doubt it.  Imagine the crying if HTC implemented that type of realism.   :lol       
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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2012, 10:17:05 AM »
This thread is a good example why gamey short cuts like magic markers on the screen need to be disabled in some fashion. Not sure exactly how this could be done, but a good start would be to limit all of the head up positions to be no higher than the top of the gun sight.

I would oppose this solution, as I move my head around a lot in the cockpit, in order to see around the canopy frames.  Furthermore, being able to move ones head around like this is realistic. 

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2012, 10:47:17 AM »
I can understand the head twisting and tilting, but how much could you stretch your neck to get that over the nose view? I would think you were strapped it pretty tight and so could not lift up very much. Maybe that is the axis that should be adjusted.

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 03:03:16 PM »
First off, didnt most pilots have a line of sight OVER the guns sights rather than having to look through them to fly???  Planes like the Tempest and the later sights used by the USAF in WWII were not limited to a small 4in square piece of glass mounted on the instrument panel.

For me, the jury is out on this one because of all the other "realism" factors involved.  Technically, HTC could give all pilot a locked default view of X height up from the seat and then require the pilot to dip/move his head to view the gun sight.  Think about it.  Did the fighter pilots fly around %100 of the time looking through the sights?  I doubt it.  Imagine the crying if HTC implemented that type of realism.   :lol       
The problem is that when they looked over the gunsight... they no longer had a gunsight. With the marker trick you have a gunsight no matter where you put your head.

I can understand the head twisting and tilting, but how much could you stretch your neck to get that over the nose view? I would think you were strapped it pretty tight and so could not lift up very much. Maybe that is the axis that should be adjusted.
I think the 'default/natural' point that a pilots head would be in was over the gunsight, and that they had to crouch down a bit to use it.

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 03:26:22 PM »
The problem is that when they looked over the gunsight... they no longer had a gunsight. With the marker trick you have a gunsight no matter where you put your head.
I think the 'default/natural' point that a pilots head would be in was over the gunsight, and that they had to crouch down a bit to use it.

How much more could they crouch down in a 109  :O

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2012, 03:45:22 PM »
How much more could they crouch down in a 109  :O
Well, down to the level of the gunsight I suppose.
It depends on the plane, too.
You can see in this picture of a 190 w/ pilot that the gunsight is probably below his line of sight in a natural position.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dani1944/4169622879/lightbox/

Or this picture of a pony pilot

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2012, 04:09:48 PM »

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2012, 06:58:50 PM »
I use a dry erase marker, RED.   :aok
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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2012, 07:22:48 PM »
I would oppose this solution, as I move my head around a lot in the cockpit, in order to see around the canopy frames.  Furthermore, being able to move ones head around like this is realistic. 

Is being able to put a dot on the monitor and never using the gunsight realistic? No.
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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2012, 02:15:43 PM »
Is being able to put a dot on the monitor and never using the gunsight realistic? No.

Is being able to drop thousands of pounds of ordnance while you are 9 beers into a 12 pack?



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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2012, 02:27:24 PM »
I, um, use my plane's gunsight.
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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2012, 01:04:37 AM »
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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2012, 10:55:18 AM »
There is no connection between removing the cursor, and it's use as a screen marker for gun sighting or any other use. It was removed simply because of mouse views.

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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2012, 11:21:57 AM »
There is no connection between removing the cursor, and it's use as a screen marker for gun sighting or any other use. It was removed simply because of mouse views.

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Ah.  Did not know that.  Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: setting the site in vehicle with mouse cursor
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2012, 11:26:22 AM »
There is no connection between removing the cursor, and it's use as a screen marker for gun sighting or any other use. It was removed simply because of mouse views.

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