Hitting the Silk

[Zexx]

I can see the point on both sides of the fence on this issue. However, like most, i do not see the point of modifying the command .ef after a bailout. Unlike other games such as "Aces over Europe", and "Aces over the Pacific", or even "The Red Baron" where you played according to campaign and career; those two factors don't really apply in the Main Arena's (which basically amounts to a big Ole Death match by War birds etc.) So modifying the .ef command in this instance would be redundant.

just my 2 cents.

[Lusche]

We have "bailed" "captured" "ditched" and "killed."  .ef currently puts you in the bailed or ditched category regardless of whether or not you would have even "survived" the bailout. 

It puts you in captured or bailed category.

[Old Sport]

If implimented, I hope you're the first player to bail and, intentionaly or otherwise, open their chute at 32k.

Just curious - if a person bails and opens the chute at 32k does he actually die in AH?

You have to be at 15K before there's enough oxygen to breath. Falling 17,000 feet (32k - 15k) with chute deployed at about 20 feet per sec will take ~ 14 minutes, and the bailed out pilot will be dead before he gets to 15k.

[R 105]

 A kill is warded for the destruction of the aircraft not the death of the pilot operating it. Bail out or ride your flaming wreck in all the way make no difference it is counted as a kill ether way.

[tunnelrat]

All he is talking about is removing the ability to "game the game".

There are a great many people who play this game more as an historical flying RPG than a flying FPS... where getting captured after a wingless landing is infinitely preferable to just augering in so you can re-up faster.

Definitely a +1 from me for realism.

[guncrasher]

If you bail from your plane the ".EF" command should not count towards a bail or a capture if you are still in freefall or floating towards the ground.  It should count as "you have been killed" if you .ef before your toon's feet are firmly on terra firma.

for scoring purposes it counts as a kill.  they guy that shot your airplane down got credited as a kill.  not sure why this is needed.


semp

[icepac]

I saw a typhoon strafing a town hit a tree and lost his engine so he pulled up and bailed.

I was in a storch and saw him ride the chute all the way down so I landed close to town center and waited for him to show up at the map room.

Another aces high goal reached.

Still waiting for a running gunfight through the trees.

[R 105]

 My post should read Awarded not warded, I can't type or spell first thing in the morning or most other times lol.

[RedBull1]

-1 ... pointless, you want a death? dont push the 'o' button... you want a bail or capture but think you should touch the ground first....have fun hovering down from 10k 

[tunnelrat]

-1 ... pointless, you want a death? dont push the 'o' button... you want a bail or capture but think you should touch the ground first....have fun hovering down from 10k 

He is saying that in order for stats to be legit, "bailed" requires being on the ground to successfully exit.

A .ef while in a chute would = a death.

If not, why not give a successful "landed" if you .ef with your gear down?

[Tilt]

equally if you land pilot wounded on the runway and then blackout before hitting end sortie....................... . .ef will give you a landed successfully from the blackout such that you dont have to risk the red screen (or being straffed by a vulcher) waiting for recovery from the blackout.

The OP's logic would also mean that this should be relegated to ditched or even killed.

I agree with the use of .ef to allow players to get back to tower more quickly under circumstances such as bailing out somewhat higher than patience allows. However if it is being used to reduce the ultimate penalty of losing combat then IMO it should be modified such that it is of no benefit to score due to its ability to warp the player out of any situation he/she may find them selves.

[Babalonian]

Just curious - if a person bails and opens the chute at 32k does he actually die in AH?

You have to be at 15K before there's enough oxygen to breath. Falling 17,000 feet (32k - 15k) with chute deployed at about 20 feet per sec will take ~ 14 minutes, and the bailed out pilot will be dead before he gets to 15k.

Realisticly, yes you are correct.  In AH however, if you open a chute at 32k after bailing out there or higher, you're in for a very very (boring unless someone tries ot shoot you) long ride.  This is in part why you are able to end flight (.ef command ingame) anytime after you bail out of your aircraft, but not while still inside of it and flying it.  At one point (maybe multiple) in the past, either intentionaly or inadvertently, this little detail/feature has been overlooked and doesn't function properly and you could not return to the tower until you completely stopped moving, and very quickly players became aware of how convenient it was for maintaining momentum amongst many other things we (and HTC's) value. 

[Hazard69]

I believe the OP's original concern is someone manipulating the score so as to avoid a death in their own personal score (victors' scores remain unaffected) by '.ef'-ing their way out of one.

I can see how someone could do it, but I dunno how many people in here care for score (if they did I guess we wouldn't be seeing so many Lancstukas).

Also, while I agree with most that its useful to avoid a boring 25k drop under an umbrella, I also do agree that it can be used to game the game a bit.

Perhaps the solution would be to not focus on the terra firma part, but only award a successful bail on .ef, after the chute has been successfully opened for X seconds (yes even if at 32k ) or the pilot is on terra firma and alive (i.e. the ditch). Putting both conditions together however would be met with a big no no.  

Hazardus

[icepac]

Don't open the chute at 32k feet?

In real life, someone chuting out at 32k feet won't instantly freeze but he may pass out for a bit.

The only way he dies is if he pops the canopy at that ridiculous altitude.



Remember that people have climbed mt. everest without oxygen.

[MK-84]

It puts you in captured or bailed category.

Oops that's what I meant.  Brain tginking one thing and fingers typing another