1000lbs, or equivalent, of ordnance question

[Karnak]

I have been, slowly, working on some performance stats for fighters (I made an exception and included the A-20G) that can be used as fighter-bombers.  For my purposes I originally put the low end at needing 2000lbs or more but when the P-40N was added with three 500lbers and some people said they were going to make it their primary fighter-bomber I lowered the limit to 1000lbs.  Last night I was going over the aircraft list and checking to make sure my spreadsheet had all of the qualifying aircraft when I noticed the FM2 could carry two 100lb bombs and six 5" HVAR rockets.  I tentatively added it to the spreadsheet and did a few flight tests on it, but I am not sure that quite reaches 1000lbs of destruction.  Does anybody know?


My list as it stands now:

A-20G
A-26
Beaufighter
Bf110C-4b*
Bf110G-2*
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
FM2*
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8
Fw190F-8
Hurricane Mk IIc*
Ki-43-II
Ki-45
Ki-61-I-Tei*
Ki-84-I-Ko
Ki-102
Me410
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2-J
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-40N
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D
P-61B
Pe-2
Spitfire Mk XVI
Tempest Mk V
Tu-2
Typhoon Mk Ib

Italics = Placeholder for aircraft not yet added to Aces High
* = Aircraft not yet upgraded to 2.0 standards

[Lusche]

 Last night I was going over the aircraft list and checking to make sure my spreadsheet had all of the qualifying aircraft when I noticed the FM2 could carry two 100lb bombs and six 5" HVAR rockets.  I tentatively added it to the spreadsheet and did a few flight tests on it, but I am not sure that quite reaches 1000lbs of destruction.

It does. The 5" rocket has a damage equivalent of 156lbs. Together with the two 100lb bombs you get over 1000.

[Karnak]

It does. The 5" rocket has a damage equivalent of 156lbs. Together with the two 100lb bombs you get over 1000.

Thank you much, Lusche.

EDIT:

Does anybody see any oversights on that list?

One thing I would note here is that the Pe-2, should it be added, is extremely tentative due to its very weak fixed guns.  If it is there, perhaps the Boston Mk III ought to be as well and I just don't see it as a serious air-to-air combat aircraft.

[Tank-Ace]

Boston III
 Ju-88G (IIRC)
Bf-109G's carrying the WGr21's and the 250kg bomb might barely make it up over 1000lbs of ord.



Really, I feel the list shouldn't be based on ord capacity.

[Karnak]

Boston III
 Ju-88G (IIRC)
Bf-109G's carrying the WGr21's and the 250kg bomb might barely make it up over 1000lbs of ord.

Unless they hit way harder than other rockets I don't think they make it.

Really, I feel the list shouldn't be based on ord capacity.

What would you base it on?

[Tank-Ace]

Unless they hit way harder than other rockets I don't think they make it.


What would you base it on?

210mm vs 127mm for the HVAR's, and they're also intended to destroy aircraft through a near-miss.


And I think it should be based on overall ability as a ground attack plane. I mean lets face it, the FM-2 isn't really a GAP, nor is a 109. A Ju-88G isn't really one either, though it would (again, IIRC) fit onto your list.

If we had things such concentrated infintry, and defensive works to bomb and attack, where a 50kg bomb is as good as a 250kg bomb, then yeah, I'd say go ahead and include them.

[Karnak]

210mm vs 127mm for the HVAR's, and they're also intended to destroy aircraft through a near-miss.

Well, if they are I will add them, but I hope they are not.  It takes a long time for me to get all the numbers for each aircraft.  While I have partial data for many aircraft, I have only completed a single German, single Japanese and a handful of American aircraft.

And I think it should be based on overall ability as a ground attack plane. I mean lets face it, the FM-2 isn't really a GAP, nor is a 109. A Ju-88G isn't really one either, though it would (again, IIRC) fit onto your list.

If we had things such concentrated infintry, and defensive works to bomb and attack, where a 50kg bomb is as good as a 250kg bomb, then yeah, I'd say go ahead and include them.

I'm looking at it merely from a "Could this be used with at least some effectiveness as a fighter-bomber." and nothing more detailed.

[Widewing]

210mm vs 127mm for the HVAR's, and they're also intended to destroy aircraft through a near-miss.


And I think it should be based on overall ability as a ground attack plane. I mean lets face it, the FM-2 isn't really a GAP, nor is a 109. A Ju-88G isn't really one either, though it would (again, IIRC) fit onto your list.

If we had things such concentrated infintry, and defensive works to bomb and attack, where a 50kg bomb is as good as a 250kg bomb, then yeah, I'd say go ahead and include them.

How can a 50kg bomb be as effective as a 250kg bomb on concentrated infantry? 

[Karnak]

How can a 50kg bomb be as effective as a 250kg bomb on concentrated infantry? 

I'd imagine it would be a lot closer to the same effectiveness than one would instinctively think based on the size due to the ground directing most of the bomb's energy upwards.

[RedBull1]

127MM = 156 lbs
so after a little math
210MM = ~257 lbs

So 500 lb bomb + 2x257 lb rockets = ~1014 Lb of ords a 109G can carry ...

 

[Karnak]

127MM = 156 lbs
so after a little math
210MM = ~257 lbs

So 500 lb bomb + 2x257 lb rockets = ~1014 Lb of ords a 109G can carry ...

 

Don't think it actually works that way.  

I know that the smaller bombs in AH are more efficient than the larger ones.  Two 500lbers do more than one 1000lber and four 250lbers do more than the two 500lbers.

[RedBull1]

IN MY HEAD IT DOES DAMNIT... Let me have my moment   

 

[Lusche]

127MM = 156 lbs
so after a little math
210MM = ~257 lbs

Last time I tested the Wgr the actual damage value was 93lb. But someone could retest it to check it.

[Lusche]

I know that the smaller bombs in AH are more efficient than the larger ones.  Two 500lbers do more than one 1000lber and four 250lbers do more than the two 500lbers.

nominal / actual damage value

100lb / 156
250lb / 313
500lb / 563
1000lb / 1000
2000lb / 1719
4000lb / 3125

[Tank-Ace]

And what does the damage threshold's go by?


Will it take more than 2 4000lb bombs to sink a CV, since they only do 3125lbs of damage?