Korean war arena

[Rich52]

A korean war arena would have gotten 100 x times the use of the WW1 one has. It would get far more use then EWA and MWA put together. Remember we already have a lot of planes that were used in Korea, most of all early war. Maybe 4 new airplanes, a few adjustments on the ones we already have, and were off to Korea and MIG alley.

[Karnak]

A korean war arena would have gotten 100 x times the use of the WW1 one has. It would get far more use then EWA and MWA put together. Remember we already have a lot of planes that were used in Korea, most of all early war. Maybe 4 new airplanes, a few adjustments on the ones we already have, and were off to Korea and MIG alley.

Wherein about 80% of the players want to be heroes shooting down Commie MiG-15s in their F-86s causing anything that isn't an F-86 to be a hangar queen.

Disillusionment at the lack of Commie MiG-15s causes the arena to die.

[Tracerfi]

Wherein about 80% of the players want to be heroes shooting down Commie MiG-15s in their F-86s causing anything that isn't an F-86 to be a hangar queen.

Disillusionment at the lack of Commie MiG-15s causes the arena to die.

BBUUZZZZ KKIILLLL!!!

[mthrockmor]

Don't forget the P-80 and the F-7 Banshee. P-51H, latest model of the F4U. Did Commies have ubber Yaks flying around? This could be fun but marketing laws show too much, is too much. At least a dozen great birds to be made in late war WW2. I'd enjoy it but likely not a smart thing to do.

Boo

[Rino]

BBUUZZZZ KKIILLLL!!!

     Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side 

[Tracerfi]

     Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side 

what does that mean

[Karnak]

     Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side 

Nope.  I advocate for quite a bit of them. I think the P-61 would be a fun addition.  I posted in support of the B-25J being added.  I think an Allison engined P-51 would be a great addition, just not with cannons.  I was happy that the B-29 won the vote and never argued against it nor bad mouthed the people who voted for it.  I only argue against the A-26 because the advocates for the A-26 want to use it like a fighter based on the horrible flight modeling it had in Air Warrior.  As an attack plane I think the A-26 would be a good addition, though likely a light perk.  There are a great number of American aircraft I would vigorously and aggressively advocate be added to the game, but they are already in the game.  The American planeset is, by far, the most complete and it limits the options for advocating to fill gaps for somebody like be who sees that as the first priority.

That doesn't blind me to the behavior of my fellow players though.  The majority of the player base are conservative Americans who want to use American, or at least British, equipment.  WWII also bring to the fray the German stuff, much of which to be honest is quite neat looking and carries an air of the elite.  Even aspects of the Japanese have the elite.  Add to that the fact that Germany and Japan are both close allies of the US now making it easier to put oneself in the place of a German or Japanese soldier.  North Korea and China, to put it mildly, do not have any of this going for them and, worse, their ongoing Communist/Totalitarian governments make them inherently unacceptable/unlikable/uncool to Americans.  This would, in my opinion, create an arena in which most players are in F-86s fighting other players in F-86s or, if it were set to be United Nations vs North Korea, most players in F-86s looking for, and ganging, the occasional MiG-15.

I could be wrong on that, but it seems pretty clear that is the direction it would take.

[Rich52]

Wherein about 80% of the players want to be heroes shooting down Commie MiG-15s in their F-86s causing anything that isn't an F-86 to be a hangar queen.

Disillusionment at the lack of Commie MiG-15s causes the arena to die.

Nope. The MIG-15 was to good and there are to many adults playing AH. If NK had the training asset pipeline we did, or even more of the experienced Russians flying them, we would have had a serious problem with the MIG-15. They may well have been the best matched adversarys, strengths and weaknesses, to ever have taken to the sky.

I'd fly the 15 thats for sure. And even if players didnt how would that be different then the arenas now anyway?

[Butcher]

    Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side  

He does shy away from Anything American, prefers british - but everyone has their "interests". I used to argue 24/7 with his ideas, but its really just preference, he's been around long enough I respect his opinions.

I shy away from anything Late war and beg for early war/midwar because frankly these were planes that were the workhorse of the war.

Take the LaGG-3 for example, it sucks against everything the Germans threw at it, however it was at the frontlines until the LA-5 started taking over.
Its nothing special, ugly looking bird thats slow, but its all the more reason to have it.

Beaufighter for example, nothing special but it was one of the leading ground attack aircraft for British/Aussie, and its twin engined! YAY!

As for Korean Arena, look at the WW1 arena - its dead - Korean war arena will last 2 weeks then be empty, if anything add the Jets to AVA arena and let people fly "Korean Theater" for a week.

[Karnak]

Nope. The MIG-15 was to good and there are to many adults playing AH. If NK had the training asset pipeline we did, or even more of the experienced Russians flying them, we would have had a serious problem with the MIG-15. They may well have been the best matched adversarys, strengths and weaknesses, to ever have taken to the sky.

I'd fly the 15 thats for sure.

Yes, some would, but they would be the outliers.

And even if players didnt how would that be different then the arenas now anyway?

There would be only two viable fighters as opposed to about fifty?  The P-51D is leagues ahead in terms of usage, having higher usage than the #2 and #3 most used aircraft combined, having more usage than all Spitfires combined and despite that level of usage it still is responsible for less than 9% of the kills and deaths each tour.

[Rich52]

Yes, some would, but they would be the outliers.
There would be only two viable fighters as opposed to about fifty?  The P-51D is leagues ahead in terms of usage, having higher usage than the #2 and #3 most used aircraft combined, having more usage than all Spitfires combined and despite that level of usage it still is responsible for less than 9% of the kills and deaths each tour.

Well there would have to be at least 4 new airframes modeled to start off with. Say the F-86, MIG-15, and say two attack birds. IL-10, A-26, TU-2 late model...ect Aircraft we already have, minus late model tweaks, would be Corsairs, 51, goons, B-29s, Seafires.....ect Many airframes could be modeled to see dual use in both arenas, like the IL-10, TU-2, Meteor, Firefly....ect The list of combat aircraft used in Korea isnt all that long. Tank-wise we already have two in LWA and the Stalin/Comet could see dual use. Even the Pershing.

[Karnak]

Well there would have to be at least 4 new airframes modeled to start off with. Say the F-86, MIG-15, and say two attack birds. IL-10, A-26, TU-2 late model...ect Aircraft we already have, minus late model tweaks, would be Corsairs, 51, goons, B-29s, Seafires.....ect Many airframes could be modeled to see dual use in both arenas, like the IL-10, TU-2, Meteor, Firefly....ect The list of combat aircraft used in Korea isnt all that long. Tank-wise we already have two in LWA and the Stalin/Comet could see dual use. Even the Pershing.

As I said, only two viable fighters, the F-86 and the MiG-15.  Everything else is chaff.

(Can't speak to the others really, but I wouldn't call the needed changes to the Seafire "tweaks" as the difference between a Seafire Mk II and a Seafire F.47 are pretty extreme.)

[LCADolby]

F86 is a sexy plane 

[USAF2010]

F9F Panther & AD-1 Skyraider 

-INCOMING

[Guppy35]

You'd probably be better off asking for an early jets arena.

In an ideal world a Korean war arena you'd have a two country set up with all the late props and Korean era jets with folks being actually willing to fly the prop fighter bombers and straight wing jets.  Where Karnak is correct is that all it would be is a Sabre arena with the occasional Mig 15.

Considering the variety of airplanes that could be used, makes it fun in theory, but I'm afraid the reality would be far different considering the majority of players in AH.