HE 162 Volksjager

[tuton25]

This aircraft was desighned and built during the last few months of the war to intersept incoming allied bombers. This plane had a metal fuselage with wooden wings and tail. This plane had a top speed of 750+ km/h (450+ mph) and was armed with 2 deadly 30mm Mk.108 cannons (50rpg) or 2 20mm Mk.151/20 cannons (120rpg). The plane was unfortunately very unstable and the wings had a tendancy to seperate from the plane due to poor quality glue. This plane was made to 320 examples, saw combat, and made a few kills but otherwise had little impact on the war.

[Ruah]

I understand the desire for this and the meteor and such. . . but I think there is quite a long list of planes that should be added to the game before it moves on to jets.  This list is extensive and goes from early war through to the late war.

[Slade]

+1

After the 410, Ki-43, He-111 etc.

[bangsbox]

this before meteor:) but 100+ planes before both

[Karnak]

this before meteor:) but 100+ planes before both

Agreed about the bunches before both, but I'd have to favor the Meteor over this.  It saw a lot more combat.

[Eric19]

+1 haven't heard of it but looks alot like an A10 warthog with the engines moved forward

[bangsbox]

Agreed about the bunches before both, but I'd have to favor the Meteor over this.  It saw a lot more combat.

 162 has a lot more kills and has even been shot down

[Butcher]

162 has a lot more kills and has even been shot down

Given the meteor was kept behind the lines for safety concerns, I don't think its fair to rule this on grounds the 162 deserves to be in first

I think if HTC was going to add more jets, both should be added at the same time.

[Karnak]

162 has a lot more kills and has even been shot down

But less combat by far.  Combat is not only air-to-air.

[Tank-Ace]

Agreed about the bunches before both, but I'd have to favor the Meteor over this.  It saw a lot more combat.

Define "combat".

[Karnak]

Define "combat".

Firing guns in anger and/or risking being shot at/blown up.

[Tank-Ace]

A bit questionable then, IIRC. Weren't only 4 aircraft released for ground attack missions, while the rest shot at buzz bombs (IMO, it doesn't really count as combat, since the buzz bombs weren't trying to blow them up), and flying patrol over friendly airspace.


IIRC, didn't make any kills (on actual aircraft, buzz bombs don't count IMO) either, correct? Shouldn't that alone put the Salamander ahead of the Meteor III from a combat-perspective.

[Butcher]

A bit questionable then, IIRC. Weren't only 4 aircraft released for ground attack missions, while the rest shot at buzz bombs (IMO, it doesn't really count as combat, since the buzz bombs weren't trying to blow them up), and flying patrol over friendly airspace.


IIRC, didn't make any kills (on actual aircraft, buzz bombs don't count IMO) either, correct? Shouldn't that alone put the Salamander ahead of the Meteor III from a combat-perspective.

I would of probably agreed with this a year ago, in fact I have - however What do you define as combat? Meteors did ground attack missions and faced anti aircraft fire, they were held in reserve for a valid REASON, I don't think that dismisses them as Combat Ready.
From a combat perspective - He-162 was not in squadron strength, it was rushed into combat where the meteor has already been around for months and in squadron strength.
You cannot simply dismiss the Meteor because it wasn't pressed into front line combat, in my opinion BOTH earned their rights to be in aces high, not one over the other however, both served their respective duties, one defended what was left of Germany and the other wasn't needed.

look at the perspective of the war, Me-262s barely could put a few dozen in the air at one time, He-162? I doubt even that - did the British really need to "push" the Meteor to the front lines? Nah they didn't need too, P51s and Tempests roamed the countryside and took care of the Me-262 threat.
If the 262 came out earlier and in numbers - it would certainly of been pressed, however at this stage in the war - the luftwaffe barely managed to get planes in the Air.

I think both should be added, but not before the other I see no reason for it.

Karnak will agree with my first statement, I was completely against the Meteor until I researched the squadron and read why It was held in reserve, I completely believe it would of been pressed otherwise.

[Tank-Ace]

I'm not saying there wasn't a reason for being held back, or anything like that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't only 4 aircraft make ground-attack sorties? Unless they were at it for a while, I still don't think that being in service without fighting, and making a few ground-attack sorties matches confirmed aerial kills.

If the He-162 had served in squadron strenght since, say Novemeber 1944, even if nothing else but the time in service chagned, I don't think there would be any possible argument for the Meteor III over the Salamander. As it is, I feel the Meteor's main argument is that it was in official service for a longer period of time, despite the fact that it saw less, and lighter fighting than the Salamander.

[Karnak]

Buzz-bomb hunting is most certainly combat.

As I recall, the Meteor's tally on the ground was a fair amount of destruction.  As to aerial kills, well, they got chased off of the Fw190s by Spitfires and the Fi156 managed to get on the ground and the crew evacuate before the Meteor managed to kill it, but the Fi156 was destroyed.