Remove the fantasy - Ar-234

[lyric1]

It still shows that aircraft were flown to other locations to have that equipment fitted.

If the book was wrong about that particular aircraft that says nothing about the production aircraft
and your ferry pilot link states that he flew the aircraft without guns to where the final equipment was fitted.
Maybe it reads differently in German but I assume he's talking about his personal experience.

The problem with the video is that we don't know that date it was filmed. It could have been filmed prior to equipment being installed.
The 2 Arado's taking off afterwards had the periscope but you can't read the fuselage ID. I expect they're different a/c but the point is
that you have a date for equipment being added and no date for the video.

As to the Rüstsatz those appear to be packages to convert the bomber to other roles not to convert the airframe to the bomber roll.

You are clearly convinced that none of them had guns, I'm OK with that, you may be correct, but I don't see compelling evidence.

As I said we shall agree to disagree.

[FLS]

As I said we shall agree to disagree.

Interesting thread. 

[Chalenge]

Weight and balance seems to indicate that our 234 should be tail heavy when it has the guns installed.

I will repeat my wish/request in August. 

[Denniss]

The periscope is not directly related to rear guns, as the Ar 234 had almost nil view to the rear it was required to spot enemy aircraft closing-in from the rear.
And please do not assume an installation in production aircraft if this system was tested in a prototype - lots of weapon kits were only found in protos but were never used in prod a/c.

In 1944 it was not uncommon to produce the basic aircraft in assembly plants and to fly it to equipment centers to install special bomb, recon or other equipment for its designated combat role. So the assembly plant could concentrate on churning out as many a/c as possible while the equipment centers were used to fit special stuff.

[Spikes]

Perked ord system would be perfect for this situation.

[Tank-Ace]

Might also help bombers take over as the main heavy lifters again.

[lyric1]

Perked ord system would be perfect for this situation.

Explain what situation?

[Chalenge]

The situation where fighter pilots carry ord? I think it should be automatic on fighters that choose ord that the category goes automatically to attack. No self-respecting fighter pilot willingly chooses to carry ord... ever.

Insisting on perk costs is just silly. 

[Bronk]

The situation where fighter pilots carry ord? I think it should be automatic on fighters that choose ord that the category goes automatically to attack. No self-respecting fighter pilot willingly chooses to carry ord... ever.

Insisting on perk costs is just silly.  

I disagree.  Ords should cost something. If this game is a war simulator  then costs for fuel , ords, and ac/gv all should have a cost
The cost should be higher for the side that has numbers.

Edit : I do however agree with you wanting the most accurate representation for ac.

[hlbly]

I disagree.  Ords should cost something. If this game is a war simulator  then costs for fuel , ords, and ac/gv all should have a cost
The cost should be higher for the side that has numbers.

Edit : I do however agree with you wanting the most accurate representation for ac.

I believe they do have a cost . In performance .

[Spikes]

Explain what situation?

This situation. The situation in which we currently are involved with.

Spelling it out, if there is evidence both ways, perk the guns and leave them on.

[Chalenge]

There isnt any evidence the guns ever flew on a 234. Go through all of Lyrics evidence. Ignore FLS as he is just making it up as he goes.

[FLS]

There isnt any evidence the guns ever flew on a 234. Go through all of Lyrics evidence. Ignore FLS as he is just making it up as he goes.

Reading is fundamental.

[Spikes]

There isnt any evidence the guns ever flew on a 234. Go through all of Lyrics evidence. Ignore FLS as he is just making it up as he goes.

Plenty of conflicting evidence that I see.

[Babalonian]

Plenty of conflicting evidence that I see.

Not really, newer records/documentation as presented by Lyric in these threads shows they were never found on any destroyed or captured examples.  Confusing, huh?