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Offline Karnak

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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #210 on: August 31, 2012, 02:59:32 PM »
I do recall an account of an RAF pilot having delivered a Spitfire Mk VIII to a USAAF unit just receiving them being asked what its flight limitations were and replying that it was a fighter, it had no flight limitations.

Now, in practice we know a Spitfire cannot be flown inverted for more than a few seconds or the engine will be oil starved.
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #211 on: August 31, 2012, 03:20:38 PM »
An A-20G pilot verbally told me that rolling upside down was forbidden.

I'll have to see if I can find my digital copy of the A-20G flight manual but in the manual it is quite clear about the restrictions on using aerobatics in the A-20G, almost similar to the restrictions on the A-26.

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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #212 on: August 31, 2012, 04:04:29 PM »
I'll have to see if I can find my digital copy of the A-20G flight manual but in the manual it is quite clear about the restrictions on using aerobatics in the A-20G, almost similar to the restrictions on the A-26.

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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #213 on: August 31, 2012, 04:07:58 PM »
so at 19,750lb you can pull to blackout in AH and you are still flying by the book, like RL WWII Havocs. sorted :aok
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #214 on: August 31, 2012, 05:39:09 PM »
barrel roll is a 1g maneuver done correctly, why wouldnt it be able to do it?
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #215 on: August 31, 2012, 06:09:22 PM »
barrel roll is a 1g maneuver done correctly, why wouldnt it be able to do it?

A barrel roll is not the only way to roll upside down.

I would guess he was speaking of the more basic, simple roll.
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #216 on: August 31, 2012, 09:35:05 PM »
I'm totally cool with the A20 handling a 1g or zero g barrel roll.

It's the high positive and negative G stuff that is ridiculous.

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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #217 on: September 01, 2012, 04:18:10 AM »
you mean like the 6G turns which the manual says are ok? :headscratch:
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #218 on: September 01, 2012, 09:00:44 AM »
you mean like the 6G turns which the manual says are ok? :headscratch:

Remember, the rated g is always conservative... Typically, aircraft are rated 20% greater below ultimate failure loading. In game, the wings usually fail at 6g when loaded with any ordnance.
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #219 on: September 01, 2012, 09:26:04 AM »
It's almost impossible to break the wings in AH if you have some sort of hearing ability. If you hear the metal stress, stop pulling on the stick. Rarely, in situations like diving at 500mph and you try to pull up with 100% force on the stick, then yea, there's going to be 1 second of the metal stress then poof. But that's easily avoidable as well. The first and only time I ever ripped my wings off was in a Spit 14 diving at around 450mph. Pulled on the stick, not even halfway and I hear "creeeeaaaak" for half a second and then weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #220 on: September 01, 2012, 09:51:20 AM »
you mean like the 6G turns which the manual says are ok? :headscratch:

How many negative G is the airplane rated?


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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #221 on: September 01, 2012, 10:55:55 AM »
no idea, but I'd guess more than the pilot is rated for ;)
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #222 on: September 01, 2012, 12:24:29 PM »
It's almost impossible to break the wings in AH if you have some sort of hearing ability. If you hear the metal stress, stop pulling on the stick. Rarely, in situations like diving at 500mph and you try to pull up with 100% force on the stick, then yea, there's going to be 1 second of the metal stress then poof. But that's easily avoidable as well. The first and only time I ever ripped my wings off was in a Spit 14 diving at around 450mph. Pulled on the stick, not even halfway and I hear "creeeeaaaak" for half a second and then weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

There is a strange behavior in the game that will snap the wings on planes if one pulls a sudden high g loading. Literally, the wings snap within a split second. In the real world, this is very unlikely as the stress equation includes duration of loading. In short, you have to have both time and amplitude. The AH system seems based solely on the amplitude alone.
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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #223 on: September 01, 2012, 03:18:16 PM »
no idea, but I'd guess more than the pilot is rated for ;)

If it's not rated for inverted flight, I doubt it can handle much negative G.

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Re: A20 Tie Fighter Mystery
« Reply #224 on: September 01, 2012, 06:53:13 PM »
If it's not rated for inverted flight, I doubt it can handle much negative G.

Without an engine oil system engineered for inverted flight, inverted flight will be forbidden. No WWII U.S. fighters were not authorized for prolonged inverted flight. Oil starvation would result.

I believe the A-20 was rated at 3g negative.
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