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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #121 on: July 11, 2012, 09:59:56 PM »
Global warming?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-proves-climate-WARMER-Roman-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html


But after the Roman Empire came the dark ages : in 535-536AD something happened, nobody know for sure, but the world population was reduced to about 50% ;some believe was a plague ,the Sun turned dark volcano,..


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_weather_events_of_535%E2%80%93536

 "There was a sign from the Sun, the likes of which had never been seen or reported before. The Sun became dark, and its darkness lasted for about 18 months. Each day, it shown for about four hours and still this light was only a feeble shadow. Everyone declared that the Sun would never recover its full light again." - John of Ephesis, A Syrian bishop, 535-536 A. D.
more here http://gatekeepkey.org/AusbertMerovingDarkAges_526.htm

 
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #122 on: July 11, 2012, 10:08:22 PM »
We are here because the Earth wanted plastic...so goes a monolog by Sam Kinison.  The same person who suggested sending u-hauls and suitcases to people who are starving, instead of food.
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #123 on: July 11, 2012, 10:10:28 PM »
"The world came to an end in 535 AD. Say what? They didn’t teach about this in High School, unless one is very young. They did teach that the Dark Ages started about then. The Dark Ages weren’t limited to Europe, all over the world civilisations went into decline. More importantly, the Dark Ages weren’t caused by invading barbarians or some other human caused calamity, something else truly terrible happened that sent the whole planet into a tailspin.

What happened?"

More here: http://unitedcats.wordpress.com/2006/10/29/the-sun-became-dark-its-darkness-lasted-for-18-months/

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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #124 on: July 11, 2012, 10:57:00 PM »
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2012, 02:06:13 AM »
A proof by contradiction only holds when there is a 'for all' case, consequently providing alternative examples of climatic aberration does not dismiss the human role in the present one. Stop paying attention to the actual temperatures, they are up and down like a fiddler's elbow anyway, this 'noise' is normal.

I know it must give some of you a great sense of relief to read well-written articles which apparently confirm you can just carry on in the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed. However you should know that this kind of denial has now been marginalised into the popular press only and is largely an American movement.

I know this will come as a shock but I'm sorry to tell you there is no longer any dispute whatsoever in the scientific community that we are experiencing an climatic aberration and it is presently about 90% certain that it is caused directly by mankind's activities since the Industrial Revolution.

And before you try it, no, the scientific community is not a self-serving special interest faction who's opinion can be accepted or rejected in accordance with your cultural values. Think it through.

On a basic common sense level it does rather make sense does it not? This whole phase of human development, the Industrial Revolution, the external and internal combustion engine, mass production, flight, electronics, computers, cyclical consumption, economic growth, world trade, the information age, all of it, has essentially been achieved through the exploitation of fossil fuels, firstly coal and next oil and natural gas. The direct consequence of burning those is the release of large amounts of CO2 (and methane and other things) into the atmosphere that have formerly been stored safely away beneath the surface of the earth. We already know what Earth's atmosphere is like as you increase the CO2 content because it was this way in the beginning, before life began. It was shocking, believe me.

Let's even go one step further, I'll play complete scientific denier here for you: even if there is NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER to burning fossil fuels, it doesn't matter anyway, because surely no one disputes, even the most entrenched sceptic, that this is a finite and nonrenewable resource. Thus it is ALL going to run out.

It's rather sad seeing you all grasping at straws and frightened that you'll have to hand in your beloved large displacement V8s for Toyota Prius and the subsequent emasculation your culture associates with that. Frankly I don't know why you are all so panicky. Skuzzy should still have just enough time to finish his gas-guzzling Cobra and enjoy it (if he gets a move on), there will be no loss of freedom, no reduction in lifestyle, necessarily.

Your children will have less opportunity to celebrate the 'high points of your cultural values' in this way and their children will look back on this generation as you do to the steam age, but again, it does not mean they won't have happy and interesting, fruitful, productive, mobile and free lives. Socially the paradigms and values will simply shift in accordance with progress, as it always has done.

The human race is now entering a transitionary phase, do not fight it, embrace it, these are exciting times and life will be better in the future, not worse.

oh and like I say, get a bloody passport and get out more and you won't get culturally left behind so badly.  :old:




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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2012, 06:05:10 AM »
"There was a sign from the Sun, the likes of which had never been seen or reported before. The Sun became dark, and its darkness lasted for about 18 months. Each day, it shown for about four hours and still this light was only a feeble shadow. Everyone declared that the Sun would never recover its full light again." - John of Ephesis, A Syrian bishop, 535-536 A. D.
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2012, 06:33:52 AM »
Shida is very passionate about this issue and I have tried to explain alternative views on the matter.

Please be understanding of Shida's reaction to said thread he is really only trying to express his inner thoughts.

My input on the topic is concise and to the point.

I have proof of global warming:

"Last week i found a dead snail in my garden, this is definate proof that climate change has occured"!

I also found a shoe which is made of patent leather which also points to the assumption that climate change is upon us.
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2012, 06:35:47 AM »
A proof by contradiction only holds when there is a 'for all' case, consequently providing alternative examples of climatic aberration does not dismiss the human role in the present one.
Nor does it prove that human have a role in it - why is "our fault" the default?
This is a 3 step logic:
1. Is there a climate change?
2. Is it caused by X?
3. Is X changed because of human activity?
There is not even a clear agreement on 1. If you accept it as true, we have no clue about 2. The "CO2" answer is highly debated because there is not serious calculation that shows it without another to contradict it. Then people already jump to 3 and suggest way to correct the problem that we are not sure it exists due to reasons we do not understand. That is the folly of the man made climate change. And the answer "just to be safe" is pure rubbish because with the money and resources required, you can make this world a hell of a better place even if it ends up 2 degrees warmer.

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I know this will come as a shock but I'm sorry to tell you there is no longer any dispute whatsoever in the scientific community that we are experiencing an climatic aberration and it is presently about 90% certain that it is caused directly by mankind's activities since the Industrial Revolution.
This is completely incorrect and 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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And before you try it, no, the scientific community is not a self-serving special interest faction who's opinion can be accepted or rejected in accordance with your cultural values. Think it through.
There are many in the scientific community who object to the current climate theories. No they do not get a cent from petrol or other corporations and hardly get any grants at all just because people with "cultural values" that include "Christian-like auto self guilt" are the ones giving them.

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We already know what Earth's atmosphere is like as you increase the CO2 content because it was this way in the beginning, before life began. It was shocking, believe me.
Believe you? how old were you when that happened?

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Let's even go one step further, I'll play complete scientific denier here for you: even if there is NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER to burning fossil fuels, it doesn't matter anyway, because surely no one disputes, even the most entrenched sceptic, that this is a finite and nonrenewable resource. Thus it is ALL going to run out.
So it runs out. Why shouldn't we exploit it to the last drop? We will not because at some point fuel will become expensive enough to make other energy sources more economic. We will kill ourselves and the planet through other means before we run out of fossil fuel.

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It's rather sad seeing you all grasping at straws and frightened that you'll have to hand in your beloved large displacement V8s for Toyota Prius and the subsequent emasculation your culture associates with that.
Hybrid cars are not a solution to anything. Do you think that increasing miles/gallon by 30% will change anything? Hybrids burn fossil fuel like any other car. They are not electric cars that can be charged with energy from renewable sources - they charge the batteries by burning fuel. By the way, you can achieve the same or better miles/gallon by driving a normal super-mini size car instead.

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The human race is now entering a transitionary phase, do not fight it, embrace it, these are exciting times and life will be better in the future, not worse.
You are kidding right? I am embracing the change in global weather, you on the other hand resist it.
If you really want to make this world a better place for your children, kill half the world population and try to stabilize the new number on about 3 Billions.




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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #129 on: July 12, 2012, 06:55:12 AM »
A proof by contradiction only holds when there is a 'for all' case, consequently providing alternative examples of climatic aberration does not dismiss the human role in the present one. Stop paying attention to the actual temperatures, they are up and down like a fiddler's elbow anyway, this 'noise' is normal.

I know it must give some of you a great sense of relief to read well-written articles which apparently confirm you can just carry on in the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed. However you should know that this kind of denial has now been marginalised into the popular press only and is largely an American movement.

I know this will come as a shock but I'm sorry to tell you there is no longer any dispute whatsoever in the scientific community that we are experiencing an climatic aberration and it is presently about 90% certain that it is caused directly by mankind's activities since the Industrial Revolution.

And before you try it, no, the scientific community is not a self-serving special interest faction who's opinion can be accepted or rejected in accordance with your cultural values. Think it through.

On a basic common sense level it does rather make sense does it not? This whole phase of human development, the Industrial Revolution, the external and internal combustion engine, mass production, flight, electronics, computers, cyclical consumption, economic growth, world trade, the information age, all of it, has essentially been achieved through the exploitation of fossil fuels, firstly coal and next oil and natural gas. The direct consequence of burning those is the release of large amounts of CO2 (and methane and other things) into the atmosphere that have formerly been stored safely away beneath the surface of the earth. We already know what Earth's atmosphere is like as you increase the CO2 content because it was this way in the beginning, before life began. It was shocking, believe me.

Let's even go one step further, I'll play complete scientific denier here for you: even if there is NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER to burning fossil fuels, it doesn't matter anyway, because surely no one disputes, even the most entrenched sceptic, that this is a finite and nonrenewable resource. Thus it is ALL going to run out.

It's rather sad seeing you all grasping at straws and frightened that you'll have to hand in your beloved large displacement V8s for Toyota Prius and the subsequent emasculation your culture associates with that. Frankly I don't know why you are all so panicky. Skuzzy should still have just enough time to finish his gas-guzzling Cobra and enjoy it (if he gets a move on), there will be no loss of freedom, no reduction in lifestyle, necessarily.

Your children will have less opportunity to celebrate the 'high points of your cultural values' in this way and their children will look back on this generation as you do to the steam age, but again, it does not mean they won't have happy and interesting, fruitful, productive, mobile and free lives. Socially the paradigms and values will simply shift in accordance with progress, as it always has done.

The human race is now entering a transitionary phase, do not fight it, embrace it, these are exciting times and life will be better in the future, not worse.

oh and like I say, get a bloody passport and get out more and you won't get culturally left behind so badly.  :old:






Nice well written post. You do not have to patronize though. Travel has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. You blur the lines between science and culture. Believing in global warming does not make you more cultured. That is the problem about having this discussion, it always boils down to insults. There is plenty of dissenting scientific opinions on the matter of global warming. I agree even if everything said about global warming is not true we still should take steps to limit emissions, if economically feasible.

By the way Americans travel outside of our country just as much as anyone else the idea that we do not is somewhat puzzling.
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2012, 06:56:46 AM »
kill half the population? :cry

I will miss you :old:

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« Reply #131 on: July 12, 2012, 07:05:00 AM »
try to stabilize the new number on about 3 Billions.

the elephant in the room.
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #132 on: July 12, 2012, 07:06:23 AM »
Will you be fitting catalytic converters?  :old:

No.

Thought I remembered reading somewhere about a 427 with a newer-ish carb getting almost 20mpg (~18/19)....  but I like the custom FI route.

Probably a Pro Systems or Quick Fuel carb.  They are typically better than a Holley.  If I go with a 3.23 gear and milder cam, I could probably get over 20MPG.  The problem with taller gears is you have to be able to run the engine at lower RPM.  High performance cams do come settle down until they get passed the RPM needed to run that taller gear.

What I really need is to complete the project I am working on, which will allow me to run a high performance cam, and still have the power and torque come in at 1200RPM.

that tranny should more than handle what you're doing then. i hadn't realized it was in the vettes.

 the edelbrock(if they still make it) setup that looked eerily similar to the old cadi fi setups seemed to work well on some friends cars.

The 'carb' look alike FI systems are a compromise.  Part of what makes FI efficient is getting the point of fuel introduction closer to the intake port.  When you centralize it, then you suffer the same imbalances a carb system has when the intake opens and pulls air/fuel from all the legs of the intake manifold creating a reversion pulse.

The reversion pulse can create slightly different fuel/air ratios in the legs of the manifold.  This mostly contributes to poorer idle quality. It is even worse on single plane manifolds.
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #133 on: July 12, 2012, 07:09:29 AM »
the elephant in the room.

population growth i will miss you RT :old:
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Re: Climate change?
« Reply #134 on: July 12, 2012, 07:19:44 AM »
See Rule #14
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