A 380 showoff

[pembquist]

All airplanes can do a 1g roll like that, but why would you? Tex Johnson had to explain himself to Bill Allen himself and almost lost his job doing that stunt.

Why wouldn't you? I'm not trying to be obnoxious but it seems a world of difference between this maneuver and what ever that idiot that crashed the buff a few years ago was doinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Did you ever get a chance to see Bob Hoover fly his Shrike? He made that plane look like something you would want to buy.

[LilMak]

In a 1G roll the airplane and everything inside it had no idea it's upside down. Only the windows give it away.

Demonstrated by Bob Hoover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp2Uc9XvmjY

[Bruv119]

saw this at Farnborough today and it is impressive how that huge plane can fly around so light on the controls.   

[GScholz]

Why wouldn't you? I'm not trying to be obnoxious but it seems a world of difference between this maneuver and what ever that idiot that crashed the buff a few years ago was doinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Did you ever get a chance to see Bob Hoover fly his Shrike? He made that plane look like something you would want to buy.

Regulations. Almost any airplane can be rolled, but few can be rolled legally. Normal and utility category airplanes are not permitted to exceed a bank angle of 60 degrees. Only acrobatic category airplanes may be rolled legally. Normal and utility category airplanes have never been tested and certified to roll so you're practically a test pilot if you do. What "Tex" did was reckless endangerment... at best.

[Tupac]

Regulations. Almost any airplane can be rolled, but few can be rolled legally. Normal and utility category airplanes are not permitted to exceed a bank angle of 60 degrees. Only acrobatic category airplanes may be rolled legally. Normal and utility category airplanes have never been tested and certified to roll so you're practically a test pilot if you do. What "Tex" did was reckless endangerment... at best.

(b) The utility category is limited to airplanes that have a seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of nine or less, a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or less, and intended for limited acrobatic operation. Airplanes certificated in the utility category may be used in any of the operations covered under paragraph (a) of this section and in limited acrobatic operations. Limited acrobatic operation includes:
(1) Spins (if approved for the particular type of airplane); and
(2) Lazy eights, chandelles, and steep turns, or similar maneuvers, in which the angle of bank is more than 60 degrees but not more than 90 degrees.

[Tupac]

Regulations. Almost any airplane can be rolled, but few can be rolled legally. Normal and utility category airplanes are not permitted to exceed a bank angle of 60 degrees. Only acrobatic category airplanes may be rolled legally. Normal and utility category airplanes have never been tested and certified to roll so you're practically a test pilot if you do. What "Tex" did was reckless endangerment... at best.

I dunno......maintaining 1g doesnt seem like test flying to me. I don't have the experience nor proper training to attempt a 1g roll in my airplane, but if you can do it safetly it's not an issue. Bob Hoover did 1g rolls in a cabin class twin, I suppose that is reckless endangerment too.

What about airplanes built before the CARs came out that had no airworthiness information? The horror, the horror!

[LilMak]

Bob Hoover did 1g rolls in a cabin class twin, I suppose that is reckless endangerment

He did it with generals on board who were drinking coffee at the time. No on spilled any coffee.

[Noir]

saw this at Farnborough today and it is impressive how that huge plane can fly around so light on the controls.   

it's so big that it looks stopped in the air

[ozrocker]

Yeah, looks so graceful as they are flying.


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[GScholz]

I dunno......maintaining 1g doesnt seem like test flying to me. I don't have the experience nor proper training to attempt a 1g roll in my airplane, but if you can do it safetly it's not an issue. Bob Hoover did 1g rolls in a cabin class twin, I suppose that is reckless endangerment too.

What about airplanes built before the CARs came out that had no airworthiness information? The horror, the horror!

You are correct that some utility category airplanes are certified for "lazy eights" and chandelles, but these are specific certifications for specific airplanes, not utility category standard, and only for aircraft up to 5700kg not airliners. Bob Hoover was a test pilot. With a test pilot rating you can do pretty much what you want as long as it is in a controlled environment and the legal department of your employer can justify it and get FAA approval.

If you exceed the certified limitations of your aircraft you are practically a test pilot, and a criminal if you don't have a test pilot rating and are on a FAA-sanctioned test flight. If you did not know this already you really shouldn't be flying.

[Tupac]

You are correct that some utility category airplanes are certified for "lazy eights" and chandelles, but these are specific certifications for specific airplanes, not utility category standard. Bob Hoover was a test pilot. With a test pilot rating you can do pretty much what you want as long as it is in a controlled environment and the legal department of your employer can justify it and get FAA approval.

If you exceed the certified limitations of your aircraft you are practically a test pilot, and a criminal if you don't have a test pilot rating and are on a FAA-sanctioned test flight. If you did not know this already you really shouldn't be flying.

Maintaining a 1g roll is hardly a criminal activity.

[GScholz]

Yes it is if you are in an airplane that is not certified for aerobatics. Violating FAA safety regulations is a criminal offence. However, the enforceability of such regulations at several thousand feet and in remote places being somewhat problematic, a good many Cessnas, Cherokees, Cirruses and their ilk have, in fact, been rolled-or so I would surmise, never having seen it done myself.

Minor violations will in most cases only result in an enforcement action (stays on the airman’s record for at least 5 years), but serious safety violations will result in civil criminal prosecution.

[Tupac]

Yes it is if you are in an airplane that is not certified for aerobatics. Violating FAA safety regulations is a criminal offence. However, the enforceability of such regulations at several thousand feet and in remote places being somewhat problematic, a good many Cessnas, Cherokees, Cirruses and their ilk have, in fact, been rolled-or so I would surmise, never having seen it done myself.

Minor violations will in most cases only result in an enforcement action (stays on the airman’s record for at least 5 years), but serious safety violations will result in civil criminal prosecution.

I'm not saying its not illegal, I'm saying that properly trained it is no issue.

[Tupac]

I'm not saying its not illegal, Im saying with proper training it's not dangerous.

[GScholz]

Maybe I'm just a silly foreigner, but how can it be illegal yet not a criminal activity?

Maintaining a 1g roll is hardly a criminal activity.