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Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« on: July 16, 2012, 12:32:38 PM »
Is there a difference is blast radius from 2 - 1,000lbs bombs salvo than 1 - 2,000lbs?  Some guys in my squad seem to think there is no difference but I think there is. 

I think the core concentration is equal but the range is larger in larger bombs.  Is this true?
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 12:37:09 PM »
The main difference is that 2 1000lb have simply more destructive power than a single 2000lb bomb.

bomb - actual damage value

4000 - 3125
2000 - 1718
1000 - 1000
500 - 562
250 - 313
100 - 156
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 12:39:43 PM »
The main difference is that 2 1000lb have simply more destructive power than a single 2000lb bomb.

bomb - actual damage value

4000 - 3125
2000 - 1718
1000 - 1000
500 - 562
250 - 313
100 - 156

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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 12:40:16 PM »
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 12:44:46 PM »
The main difference is that 2 1000lb have simply more destructive power than a single 2000lb bomb.

bomb - actual damage value

4000 - 3125
2000 - 1718
1000 - 1000
500 - 562
250 - 313
100 - 156

Are the actual damage value concentrated at the core of the blast?  What about the difference in blast radius?
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 12:48:03 PM »
Because HT made it so. :)
two bombs can NOT be dropped on the same location in one pass. therefore, the blast radius would be larger with two bombs than one bomb.

Im not sure how large each bombs blast radius is or if damage fades from the blast center.  anybody know?
 

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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 12:48:46 PM »
Are the actual damage value concentrated at the core of the blast?  What about the difference in blast radius?

Generally speaking, bigger bombs have a greater blast radius, but I can't give you exact values, as I have conducted only kinda superficial tests yet. I would need a better terrain for such test that those currently available.
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 01:22:20 PM »
two bombs can NOT be dropped on the same location in one pass. therefore, the blast radius would be larger with two bombs than one bomb.

Im not sure how large each bombs blast radius is or if damage fades from the blast center.  anybody know?
 
How can they not be? Drop 1 bomb and nose down slightly to drop another.
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 01:31:53 PM »
The main difference is that 2 1000lb have simply more destructive power than a single 2000lb bomb.

bomb - actual damage value

4000 - 3125
2000 - 1718
1000 - 1000
500 - 562
250 - 313
100 - 156

Per my recent tests:

PB1 rockets: 93.5
HVAR 5" rockets: 159.5
RP-3 60lb rockets: 187.5
500lb bomb: 562.5
250kg bomb: 618.7
1000lb bomb: 1000
500kg bomb: 1100
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 01:48:26 PM »
two bombs can NOT be dropped on the same location in one pass. therefore, the blast radius would be larger with two bombs than one bomb.

Im not sure how large each bombs blast radius is or if damage fades from the blast center.  anybody know?
 

I would think (stressing think and not know) that 2 bombs dropped together cannot combine blast radiuses.  They can however have intersecting radius.  Think of it as the olympic circles intersecting each other.  Seems reasonable to me.
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 02:51:56 PM »
I would think (stressing think and not know) that 2 bombs dropped together cannot combine blast radiuses.  They can however have intersecting radius.  Think of it as the olympic circles intersecting each other.  Seems reasonable to me.

Blast radius IS larger the larger the bomb, but the damage is what Lusche says. That's the reason HTC says you need 3x1000lbs to destroy a hangar and not 2x1000lbs and 1x500lbs. 5 rockets will work, but the damage from 5 rockets is 780, or 218 more damage than a single 500lbs egg. The real number is somewhere between 2600-2700 ord damage needed to remove a hangar, at least from my testing.
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2012, 03:01:51 PM »
The real number is somewhere between 2600-2700 ord damage needed to remove a hangar, at least from my testing.

The real number for (almost) any object in any arena can simply be found by looking at the arena settings: Options->Arena Setup->Objects->Object Settings.

The number given is how many 1000lb bombs are necessary to destroy the object. So a VH has the value 2.7815 which translates into 2,781.5 lbs. That means it would take

3 x 1000lbs bombs (damage rating 1000 each) or
5 x 500lbs bombs (à DR 562 each) or
18 x 100lbs bombs (à DR 156 each)



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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2012, 05:00:34 PM »
How can they not be? Drop 1 bomb and nose down slightly to drop another.
bombs do not drop from the same exact location because of the placement on the airplane.

therefore left/right must be compensated for not just the angle of attack.

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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 07:46:12 PM »
The real number for (almost) any object in any arena can simply be found by looking at the arena settings: Options->Arena Setup->Objects->Object Settings.

The number given is how many 1000lb bombs are necessary to destroy the object. So a VH has the value 2.7815 which translates into 2,781.5 lbs. That means it would take

3 x 1000lbs bombs (damage rating 1000 each) or
5 x 500lbs bombs (à DR 562 each) or
18 x 100lbs bombs (à DR 156 each)





I knew I had seen the number somewhere, but couldn't remember where. On the website it only says 3x1000lbs. Rockets must be slightly more powerful than what I figured also because 5 will do it if you place them well.
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Re: Blast zones from a single bomb or multiple salvo'd bombs
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 08:05:31 PM »
Here are my complete ordnance test results thus far:

210mm WGr21 rocket: 93.50lbs
PB1 rocket: 93.50lbs
4.5" M8 rocket: 125.00lbs
100lb bomb: 156.20lbs
HVAR 5" rocket: 159.50lbs
50kg bomb: 171.80lbs
RP-3 60lb rocket: 187.50lbs
250lb bomb: 312.50lbs
500lb bomb: 562.50lbs
250kg bomb: 618.70lbs
1000lb bomb: 1000.00lbs
500kg bomb: 1100.00lbs
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