Penn State report

[BreakingBad]

And what of all the OTHER sports at Penn State that depend on that revenue from football? are they in the middle aswell?

The short answer to that is yes, unfortunately. 

They'll have to tighten their belts and get back to the basics of what a university is for, providing an education.  Maybe administrators and coaches will learn that to keep their institution competitive this sort of inaction is not acceptable.

[Nathan60]

The short answer to that is yes, unfortunately. 

They'll have to tighten their belts and get back to the basics of what a university is for, providing an education.  Maybe administrators and coaches will learn that to keep their institution competitive this sort of inaction is not acceptable.

I think that can be learned without the death penalty. Im not totally blind to others opinions ut I think there was soem blanket statemnt put forth earlier as this thread went on the post because more focused on the sstance taken. I dont want Penn ST to get the death penalty but I would accept it and I accept the posts by Shuff, Loki and you. I just wanted to know the reasons for the opinions.

[grizz441]

Lets just burn Penn State to the ground and be done with it just to be sure somebody that might have been indirectly complicit as an enabler does not go unpunished.  The innocents will just have to tighten their belts!  Grab ye pitchforks!

[Babalonian]

Yes punishment is required, jail time for individuals involved, not sanctions on the school.

Unfortunatley, every USC fan would strongley object to that opinion and your belief that there should be more than one standard.  Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[kilo2]

Unfortunatley, every USC fan would strongley object to that opinion and your belief that there should be more than one standard.  Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

How many times do I have to say those circumstances are of an entirely different scope. You cannot compare the two.

[Hajo]

How many times do I have to say those circumstances are of an entirely different scope. You cannot compare the two.

Sukov you are correct.  This is hundreds of times worse then selling gold pants for tatoos or paying someones' parents rent.

If I recall there is an Ethics section in the NCAAs' by-laws.  If this wasn't unethical, I don't know what would be.

I applaud all of you for discussing this intelligently without name calling etc.  Thank You

[Shuffler]

That's funny since Sandusky retired in 1999 sure the cover up that was in place since the 90's was still in place but the guys in the middle didnt know that

Yes he retired but still had the keys to the locker rooms and such and brought kids on campus regularly.

[Motherland]

Students in Pennsylvania state-affiliated schools like PSU are already dealing with tuition hikes thanks to state budget cuts... I would know.
Granted I don't know how the funds are allocated, but completely cutting a revenue generating enterprise like the Penn State football team can't be good for the wallets of the student body who're already looking at around $120k for an undergrad degree.
There's absolutely no point in punishing the 99.99999% of Penn State who had absolutely nothing to do with the Sandusky scandal, didn't know about it, and didn't even have any way of interfering with it.
Do whatever is deemed necessary with anyone involved, but... I mean, there needs to be some common sense applied. The whole university can't be implicated.

Penn State main campus has almost 40,000 undergraduate students and thousands more graduate students on campus. Penn State branch campuses around the state serve tens of thousands more. Many of my friends are among them.
The Penn State Hershey Medical Center in serves both as a pretty large med school system and important facility for specialized treatment here in the mid-state region and the Harrisburg metropolitan area especially.
This is all stuff that really can't be undermined due to the actions of a few individuals and the equally destructive mob mentality that their actions have caused.

[Shuffler]

Students in Pennsylvania state-affiliated schools like PSU are already dealing with tuition hikes thanks to state budget cuts... I would know.
Granted I don't know how the funds are allocated, but completely cutting a revenue generating enterprise like the Penn State football team can't be good for the wallets of the student body who're already looking at around $120k for an undergrad degree.
There's absolutely no point in punishing the 99.99999% of Penn State who had absolutely nothing to do with the Sandusky scandal, didn't know about it, and didn't even have any way of interfering with it.
Do whatever is deemed necessary with anyone involved, but... I mean, there needs to be some common sense applied. The whole university can't be implicated.

Penn State main campus has almost 40,000 undergraduate students and thousands more graduate students on campus. Penn State branch campuses around the state serve tens of thousands more. Many of my friends are among them.
The Penn State Hershey Medical Center in serves both as a pretty large med school system and important facility for specialized treatment here in the mid-state region and the Harrisburg metropolitan area especially.
This is all stuff that really can't be undermined due to the actions of a few individuals and the equally destructive mob mentality that their actions have caused.

There are many other great schools.

[Motherland]

There are many other great schools.

PSU main campus is easily among the top schools in Pennsylvania, even the best (with the exception of the University of Pennsylvania), depending on the ranking. It's actually one of the better/best schools in the world. Nothing in the state university system even compares, and among the other state related schools you have Lincoln (which really again doesn't compare), Temple and the University of Pittsburgh. Tuition at Temple main is about $10,000 more a year, it's a much lower... ranked... school and it's in the ghetto in Philadelphia. Pitt is a great school but again it's in Pittsburgh, while PSU is in a completely different environment all together, although they cost around the same and are ranked similarly generally.
None of the other state-related schools have anything close to the large system of branch campuses that PSU has, which is a lot of what makes it such an important institution in Pennsylvania (many of my friends are attending Penn State Harrisburg which is a very good school with great engineering programs), and there are no other medical schools or university hospitals here in the Harrisburg/mid-state area beside Penn State Hershey.
If you removed Penn State from the equation of higher education in PA... well, you just can't. It would be catastrophic.

PSU is much bigger than Sandusky, JoePa or its football program, and, while this may be tough to swallow for people who depend on impulse and emotion to make decisions about things, its health and ability to serve tens on tens of thousands of people is leaps and bounds more important than getting petty revenge for the emotional health of 48 people.

[Shuffler]

PSU main campus is easily among the top schools in Pennsylvania, even the best (with the exception of the University of Pennsylvania), depending on the ranking. It's actually one of the better/best schools in the world. Nothing in the state university system even compares, and among the other state related schools you have Lincoln (which really again doesn't compare), Temple and the University of Pittsburgh. Tuition at Temple main is about $10,000 more a year, it's a much lower... ranked... school and it's in the ghetto in Philadelphia. Pitt is a great school but again it's in Pittsburgh, while PSU is in a completely different environment all together, although they cost around the same and are ranked similarly generally.
None of the other state-related schools have anything close to the large system of branch campuses that PSU has, which is a lot of what makes it such an important institution in Pennsylvania (many of my friends are attending Penn State Harrisburg which is a very good school with great engineering programs), and there are no other medical schools or university hospitals here in the Harrisburg/mid-state area beside Penn State Hershey.
If you removed Penn State from the equation of higher education in PA... well, you just can't. It would be catastrophic.

You do not have to limit yourself to schools in Pennsylvania.

[Motherland]

You do not have to limit yourself to schools in Pennsylvania.

Plenty of people do have to do just that. There are fewer and fewer people all the time who can afford to go to a private out of state university, or a public out of state university which ends up being just as expensive, if not more so. Many people are bound to their locale and can't afford room and board to move out. Not everyone is sitting on piles of money.
There's definitely no way I could have gone to an out-of-state school, I can barely afford to go to Pitt.

[Shuffler]

Plenty of people do have to do just that. There are fewer and fewer people all the time who can afford to go to a private out of state university, or a public out of state university which ends up being just as expensive, if not more so. Many people are bound to their locale and can't afford room and board to move out. Not everyone is sitting on piles of money.
There's definitely no way I could have gone to an out-of-state school, I can barely afford to go to Pitt.

Those folks are caught in the middle. It happens. The school should suffer for it's huge failure in this regard.

[Motherland]

Those folks are caught in the middle. It happens. The school should suffer for it's huge failure in this regard.

"Those folks" are a large (and always widening) portion of all high school graduates in Pennsylvania, and eh can't be punished for the actions of a few high-level people at PSU. Those people at PSU who are responsible need to be punished.

[Shuffler]

"Those folks" are a large (and always widening) portion of all high school graduates in Pennsylvania, and eh can't be punished for the actions of a few high-level people at PSU. Those people at PSU who are responsible need to be punished.

Yes it's a real shame the school failed them. I understand what your saying but as stated in comparisons earlier in this thread. They are as much victims as the children this school failed to protect.