Penn State report

[Hajo]

When the Penn State report was reported by the former head of the FBI and former Federal Judge it was a shock.

I was giving the benefit of the doubt beforehand.  All are innocent until proven guillty.  However I'm not being as kind now.
The NCAA is considering if there were violations.  That is an understatement.  Violations?  Is the NCAA not paying attention?
SMU got the death penalty for paying some of their players when they were already on Probation.  Ohio State lost some
Scholarships, suspended 5 players and fired the Coach not to mention Bowl eligibilty taken away.  All over trading memorabilia
for tatoos. Other violations by School can be listed USC etc.  It seems as if Penn State is still trying to ignore the fact of the heinous
crimes that were perpetrated on thier property. These incidents were first noted in 1998.
Sandusky retired in 1999. This gives me reason to think all was not well at that time and Penn State knew it.  Penn State
thought nothing of the victims.  Just PSUs' reputation.  NCAA better come down on PSU.  This can not be passed over.
The NCAA will then be accused of protecting their reputation and their inability to control its' members.

What say you?

[Skuzzy]

I say this is a topic which cannot be discussed, on this board, due to too many people not being able to control personal impulse reactions and yet have convinced themselves their reactions are so important everyone wants to see them.

In other words, I need to prepare for an onslaught of posting rules violations.  If clocks were as predictable,...oh wait,...they are.

[Tupac]

Well, what happened is very frightening and disgusting.

[Skuzzy]

Well, what happened is very frightening and disgusting.

I agree and that is a reasonable response.

[kilo2]

When the Penn State report was reported by the former head of the FBI and former Federal Judge it was a shock.

I was giving the benefit of the doubt beforehand.  All are innocent until proven guillty.  However I'm not being as kind now.
The NCAA is considering if there were violations.  That is an understatement.  Violations?  Is the NCAA not paying attention?
SMU got the death penalty for paying some of their players when they were already on Probation.  Ohio State lost some
Scholarships, suspended 5 players and fired the Coach not to mention Bowl eligibilty taken away.  All over trading memorabilia
for tatoos. Other violations by School can be listed USC etc.  It seems as if Penn State is still trying to ignore the fact of the heinous
crimes that were perpetrated on thier property. These incidents were first noted in 1998.
Sandusky retired in 1999. This gives me reason to think all was not well at that time and Penn State knew it.  Penn State
thought nothing of the victims.  Just PSUs' reputation.  NCAA better come down on PSU.  This can not be passed over.
The NCAA will then be accused of protecting their reputation and their inability to control its' members.

What say you?

Should the players be punished for what administrators in the program did and did not do?

I do not think so let the legal system dole out punishment for the crimes committed not the NCAA. That is my opinion.

[Hajo]

Please discuss this as adults.  Let's just simplify this by just focusing on the NCAA action or non action in this case.

I'm sure all of us are outraged at what has been done.  Let's all just assume that without going into great detail.

I don't wish to be responsible for 1.) a stroke or 2.) or a heart attack being a possibility caused by skuzzy overload. 

[rpm]

Fortunately in their infinite wisdom, the Penn State Board of Trustees voted to keep JoePa's statue because his accomplishments on the field overshadowed anything that happened off the field.

The trustees "are hoping they can have more time pass and people will forget about it and then it won't come down." "We don't want to jump the gun again," the trustee said. "When we did that in November, look where we ended up. If it does have to come down, it will be after much deliberation and discussion. If I had my way, (the statue) will always be there. People can take from it what they want."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8166643/joe-paterno-statue-remain-penn-state-sources-say

[Nathan60]

I say this is a topic which cannot be discussed, on this board, due to too many people not being able to control personal impulse reactions and yet have convinced themselves their reactions are so important everyone wants to see them.

In other words, I need to prepare for an onslaught of posting rules violations.  If clocks were as predictable,...oh wait,...they are.

I say you get 2 pages and  about 3 and a third posts. As for the statue I dont know what kinda message that sends.  What do future players think,  maybe that if they win on field they can get away with things, I always respected Joepa and Penn State thought they were a good clean program until all this came out. Now I just hope they can repair thier image on and  off the field. Covering up something THIS heinous is truely unforgivable to me.

[Hajo]

Should the players be punished for what administrators in the program did and did not do?

I do not think so let the legal system dole out punishment for the crimes committed not the NCAA. That is my opinion.

Players of other institutions suffered also as I said in my original post.  When sanctions are applied many suffer.

In this case the University and Football Coaches are at fault. A football coach using the universitys good name
is the culprit. Thus the football program suffers.  Remember not all players at Ohio state, SMU and USC etc. were involved
yet the NCAA threw down sanctions.  What is fair to one is fair for all.

[kilo2]

Players of other institutions suffered also as I said in my original post.  When sanctions are applied many suffer.

In this case the University and Football Coaches are at fault. A football coach using the universitys good name
is the culprit. Thus the football program suffers.  Remember not all players at Ohio state, SMU and USC etc. were involved
yet the NCAA threw down sanctions.  What is fair to one is fair for all.

Players also benefited in those cases. Furthermore the circumstances are vastly different than those cases.

[MarineUS]

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Oh. My. God.

I'm going to Hell for laughing at that. 

[Nathan60]

Players of other institutions suffered also as I said in my original post.  When sanctions are applied many suffer.

Yes but USC and Ohio State were close to Loss of Institutional controll(actually USC got hit with this I belive) that means  violations by player  was rampant and it was shown that they GAINED from these actions.  Yes the innocent players SUFFERED  but there were GAINS made by the student, where as in Penn St. case  there was no gain by any of the players  and  was not  rampant wide spread violations. It  was  a way worse violation  in my book but it  gained the players  nothing so why shoudl they suffer? The shool should be hit in sanctions but not is scholies or  a post season ban , but in a tv blackout and large donations from the ticket monies of each game to a charity.

[Shuffler]

Fortunately in their infinite wisdom, the Penn State Board of Trustees voted to keep JoePa's statue because his accomplishments on the field overshadowed anything that happened off the field.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8166643/joe-paterno-statue-remain-penn-state-sources-say
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Unfortunately joepa felt the same way thereby empowering a child molester.

A really terrible bunch of so called adults. They all ended up being accessories to the crimes.

I say the school/teams get sanctioned harshly.

[kilo2]

Unfortunately joepa felt the same way thereby empowering a child molester.

A really terrible bunch of so called adults. They all ended up being accessories to the crimes.

I say the school/teams get sanctioned harshly.

Why not just burn penn state to the ground?

 

[W7LPNRICK]

Hanging the Criminals & protecting the school seems reasonable to me. Why should every student & athlete me stigmatized because of one "Monster"s crimes. The phrase "Tickle-Monster" will never feel the same...