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Offline earl1937

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2012, 01:30:58 PM »
I'm seeing dozens of mustangs with 500lbs and rockets in the Korean war, No 1,000lbs either - I wonder why.

:airplane: Weight has always been a limiting factor in aircraft.You can usually carry a lot of weight(in the 51D), or you could carry a lot of fuel, but you can't carry both a lot of weight and a lot of fuel. Max allowable take-off weight being 12,100 lbs, in the D or K model ponie, with empty weight of 7,635(roughly), you only have 4,365lb's avaiable payload weight to play with. That is assuming you have a paved, asphalt or concrete runway, of at least 6,000 feet and it is not to much above sea level. With fuel for the ponie weighting 6.5 lbs per gallon and an average flight time of 4 hrs per mission,(estimate), at 60 gallon per hour flight planning time, that is 390X 4 hrs flight= 1560 lbs. The big problem in Korea were runway lengths and condition of runway material, runway gradiant and etc, which usually limited total takeoff weights around 10,000 lbs. So that leaves us with a takeoff weight of 9,195 pounds, which leaves only 805 pounds for ords. Don't forget pilot weight of 180lbs average, and 350 lbs for bomb and rocket racks, leaves us 275 lbs for ords. 6 "holy Moses" rockets weighted 45 pounds each,(270 lbs), hence you have a total weight of 5 pounds left for bombs. Now if you take off at maximum allowable takeoff weight of 12,100lbs, then you could, in theory, add 2 1,000lber's, but you better have a looooong runway in front of you when takeing off. Now if you only load 2 500lber's, that is only11,100lbs at takeoff, but do able with proper runway lenght and pilot skill. South Korean Air Force lost a good many pilots due to takeoff accidents because of heavy loaded ponies. Understand now why usually only rockets or bombs loaded out, but usually not both?
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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2012, 03:17:34 PM »
ET,

How do you feel about P-51D's taking off from carriers with 2x1000lb bombs and rockets?

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2012, 03:58:01 PM »
ET,

How do you feel about P-51D's taking off from carriers with 2x1000lb bombs and rockets?

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2012, 04:11:26 PM »
:airplane: Can't happen for real, but in here, what ever the planner wants, the planner gets!!
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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2012, 04:18:32 PM »


Hrmmmm....  anyone care to take a stab at the above?
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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2012, 04:21:37 PM »
This one is definitely Korea:

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2012, 05:05:07 PM »
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Hrmmmm....  anyone care to take a stab at the above?


It looks like a RAAF Mustang from 77 Squadron during Korea.

*EDIT* on second thought, it's probably a RNZAF Mustang, the roundels look more like RNZAF markings than RAAF ones.

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2012, 05:09:26 PM »
I would think of anything Guppy or Ack-Ack would easily jump in if there was proof one way or another, if they haven't its best to say you probably are gona have a slim chance of finding something anytime soon.

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2012, 06:46:40 PM »
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Hrmmmm....  anyone care to take a stab at the above?

:airplane: 2 500lber's with 4 "Holy Moses" 12.7mm rockets in New Zealand markings?
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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2012, 08:36:15 PM »
Challenge, pictures and source for P-51D carrying 6 HVAR rockets and 2 1000lb bombs.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2012, 08:44:19 PM »
Challenge, pictures and source for P-51D carrying 6 HVAR rockets and 2 1000lb bombs.

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2012, 08:46:18 PM »
I have the wartime pilot notes and instructions for the Mustang III and Mustang IV from RAF as well as field manuals for the pilots, nothing mentions carrying both bombs and rockets.

You guys did see the very first image I posted right? Thats straight out of NAA. Read it.
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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2012, 09:01:50 PM »
You guys did see the very first image I posted right? Thats straight out of NAA. Read it.

Still waiting for that source on RAF Mustangs carrying rockets and 1000 pounders.  An advertisement doesn't fill that request.
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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2012, 09:29:41 PM »
It looks like a RAAF Mustang from 77 Squadron during Korea.

*EDIT* on second thought, it's probably a RNZAF Mustang, the roundels look more like RNZAF markings than RAAF ones.

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Re: P-51 options
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2012, 09:48:11 AM »
:airplane: 2 500lber's with 4 "Holy Moses" 12.7mm rockets in New Zealand markings?

I think you mean 12.7cm not mm, right?
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