Penn State, Death Penalty or Not?

[grizz441]

See Rule #4

[Shifty]

Well the statue has been removed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/paterno-statue-penn-state-123528628.html

[Bodhi]

See Rule #4

[grizz441]

LOL, you do realize that modern law takes a significant amount from Hammurabi, right?

Mainly the Crime/Punishment concept, and modernizes it.  I'm just joshing anyways, it is human nature to want balanced revenge.

Doesn't look like Penn State is going to get "death penalty" but they are going to be hit hard.  From article on ESPN right now.

NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says

They might be getting punished for "lack of institutional control" part of NCAA rules which is pretty general and seems like a catch all rule.

[Bodhi]

There is no "balanced revenge" in punishment unless you go eye for an eye.  A lifetime in prison can never take back the innocence of a child that was raped.

I read that just now.  I am disappointed they are not using the death penalty, but it is obvious money won out over punishment.

[Shifty]

I don't understand how punishing current Penn State students with a the NCAA death penalty is just punishment. It would be more fitting to go after the staff and administrators that let this go on for years and punish them to the full extent of the law. IMO

[Karnak]

I don't understand how punishing current Penn State students with a the NCAA death penalty is just punishment. It would be more fitting to go after the staff and administrators that let this go on for years and punish them to the full extent of the law. IMO

Sometimes innocents get negatively affected by a punishment.

If Bob murders somebody and gets sentenced to 20 years in prison, is it just that Bob's children no longer have their father or the income he provided?

[Shifty]

Sometimes innocents get negatively affected by a punishment.

If Bob murders somebody and gets sentenced to 20 years in prison, is it just that Bob's children no longer have their father or the income he provided?

Sandusky put his family in jeopardy with his actions. Their shame emotional suffering and income loss is still a direct byproduct of his crime.
While tragic for them his actions are the cause for their misfortune. In fact if he's any kind of man at all which I doubt he should
feel ashamed for what he put his family through. There is a direct and common link to the offender and his family. No I don't think it is fair his family should suffer.
Enough of his victims and other innocent people have suffered because of this man already. Why lay out sanctions against the current student body of Penn State making more?
Plus how does a death death sentence to their football program bring justice to the child molestation victims? Punish the people that hid and enabled this creep. Not a bunch of innocent college students and athletes. They are already carrying the stain on their schools reputation by these administrators why add more into the mix.

[eagl]

There is no "balanced revenge" in punishment unless you go eye for an eye.  A lifetime in prison can never take back the innocence of a child that was raped.

I read that just now.  I am disappointed they are not using the death penalty, but it is obvious money won out over punishment.

Really, it was that obvious?  It sounds like you were in on the deliberations.  Tell us more.

Seriously, it looks a lot to me like the NCAA realizes that all along it was the students/players that were being victimized, and they wanted to ensure that any sanctions did not further punish the students and players.  Any sanctions must hurt the administration, not the players.  This should be obvious.

If it is true that the sanctions will largely involve cutting financial incentives and bowl appearances, then it sure looks like they are doing their best to target the school and not the players.  The kids in there now will get to keep playing but the school can't use NCAA money to aid recruiting for a while and they lose a TON of money from bowl games that would have been used for their programs.  But the players can keep playing, and that is important.

Personally, I hope they end up with a really good coach and athletic staff that wants to do a good thing by going in and taking charge of the program and shaping a good culture through the coming hard years for the program.  That way when the school emerges from the penalty years they have a hope of becoming great again.  Again, that benefits the students/players while severely punishing the people who let the crimes occur and continue to go on for so long.

IMHO.  I don't claim sure knowledge like some of you guys.  Maybe you can get me into the board meetings you've been attending, since you're so sure you know what is going, what will happen, and the motivations behind it? 

[Bodhi]

Really, it was that obvious?  It sounds like you were in on the deliberations.  Tell us more.

Seriously, it looks a lot to me like the NCAA realizes that all along it was the students/players that were being victimized, and they wanted to ensure that any sanctions did not further punish the students and players.  Any sanctions must hurt the administration, not the players.  This should be obvious.

If it is true that the sanctions will largely involve cutting financial incentives and bowl appearances, then it sure looks like they are doing their best to target the school and not the players.  The kids in there now will get to keep playing but the school can't use NCAA money to aid recruiting for a while and they lose a TON of money from bowl games that would have been used for their programs.  But the players can keep playing, and that is important.

Personally, I hope they end up with a really good coach and athletic staff that wants to do a good thing by going in and taking charge of the program and shaping a good culture through the coming hard years for the program.  That way when the school emerges from the penalty years they have a hope of becoming great again.  Again, that benefits the students/players while severely punishing the people who let the crimes occur and continue to go on for so long.

IMHO.  I don't claim sure knowledge like some of you guys.  Maybe you can get me into the board meetings you've been attending, since you're so sure you know what is going, what will happen, and the motivations behind it? 

It is fairly easy to see that it is my opinion Eagl, and I have never claimed otherwise.  But please, astonish us with some more save the athletes prose.  It's not like that culture had anything to do with the coverup, right?

[eagl]

It is fairly easy to see that it is my opinion Eagl, and I have never claimed otherwise.  But please, astonish us with some more save the athletes prose.  It's not like that culture had anything to do with the coverup, right?

Ah, so we've moved over to blaming the victim(s).  I think we see your motive now.  You just want to shut down the football program.  That's fine, but we don't need moral outrage or even a rape scandal to propose something like that.

[eagl]

BTW grab some peanuts and a beer before replying...  Don't want to blow a gasket or anything   

[ToeTag]

stop watching sports / "news"...they are a distraction to your capabilities.  Except GA football.  If all else fails who really gives a shazbot if anything happens?  Is it going to change your life?  Let the ones affected deal with the bad eggs.  

[Delirium]

Seriously, it looks a lot to me like the NCAA realizes that all along it was the students/players that were being victimized

How many students/players were left alone with Sandusky in the shower? The only victims here are the ACTUAL victims! If an rising football star wants to play football without the looming penalties that Penn State may receive, he/she can always go to another college.

The college itself needs to make amends and the best start was ripping down Paterno's statue. That action sends the NCAA a clear message that they are willing to do anything to prevent the 'death penalty'. I feel some of the Administration, McCreary is a good example, will never be able to step foot on or near a college athletic program again, but I don't think the college will get the 'death penalty' in light of their recent actions.

[Bodhi]

Ah, so we've moved over to blaming the victim(s).  I think we see your motive now.  You just want to shut down the football program.  That's fine, but we don't need moral outrage or even a rape scandal to propose something like that.

Eagl, not sure where you are coming from on blaming the "victims".  I blame the athletic culture at PSU for allowing that child rapist Sandusky to continue to destroy lives of children.  The inaction and attempts to save an athletic programs face and reputation were appalling and in my eyes almost as bad as the actual acts.  That is what needs to be punished.  That athletes would not be able to play football or any other sport with what I proposed is incidental and just too damn bad.  Innocents unfortunately might suffer as well, but the message that this will not ever be tolerated in the future would be sent and just might save a child the horror of what happened after the college knew.

As for getting mad.  lol, I like discussing these things so if you hope I am getting mad, you will be sorely disappointed.