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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2012, 06:23:15 PM »
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We have a problem in the UK people stealing power cables etc, they regularly get burnt to a crisp which is reinforcing Darwins theory of evolution.

Here the "kritters" break into substations and try to cut the grounds on the equipment. Copper theft is a thriving institution here in the states.

The problem is that the crooks just cant fathom how much load is on a transformer and that when they cut that ground they stand a chance of frying as a french fry in a greasy cooker.


Then you have the other "superhero-wannabes" that climb poles for the rush....do a search for electrical flash on youtube.....there are videos of the insane there.

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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2012, 06:27:17 PM »
Here the "kritters" break into substations and try to cut the grounds on the equipment. Copper theft is a thriving institution here in the states.

The problem is that the crooks just cant fathom how much load is on a transformer and that when they cut that ground they stand a chance of frying as a french fry in a greasy cooker.


Then you have the other "superhero-wannabes" that climb poles for the rush....do a search for electrical flash on youtube.....there are videos of the insane there.
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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2012, 07:15:36 PM »
Y
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_northern_India_power_grid_failure

The Earth was hit by a CME in last 24 hours also, but was weak;http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html

If you look at the time of the 1st grid failure from your link ;
02:48, 30 July 2012 (+05:30)-
 20:30, 31 July 2012 (+05:30)
India Standard time zone: UTC/GMT +5:30 hours;
 
 here in a link  University of Delaware,in UTC time http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/spaceweather/welcome.html
space weather monitoring showing the cosmic rays density; This cosmic rays charts  are not monitoring the activity from the Sun;
See the chart from 15;00 UTC to 24:00 UTC july 29th some kind of strong EMP from deep space hit the Earth, about same time with first grid failure in India ;


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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2012, 07:17:27 PM »
The Earth was hit by a CME in last 24 hour

whats a CME
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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2012, 07:20:33 PM »
The Earth was hit by a CME in last 24 hours also, but was weak;http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html

If you look at the time of the 1st grid failure from your link ;
02:48, 30 July 2012 (+05:30)-
 20:30, 31 July 2012 (+05:30)
India Standard time zone: UTC/GMT +5:30 hours;
 
 here in a link  University of Delaware,in UTC time http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/spaceweather/welcome.html
space weather monitoring showing the cosmic rays density; This cosmic rays charts  are not monitoring the activity from the Sun;
See the chart from 15;00 UTC to 24:00 UTC july 29th some kind of strong EMP from deep space hit the Earth, about same time with first grid failure in India ;

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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2012, 07:32:17 PM »
the mayans were right were all gonna die!!!!!!!!! :cry
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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2012, 07:38:27 PM »
coronal mass ejection ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection


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« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2012, 07:42:14 PM »
so the sun uuummm.....uuhhh.......it.... ....uumm..nevermind........

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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2012, 09:38:45 PM »
This is an active year for the sun and India's power grid is probably looks like a whole house full of spiderwebs.

When you count all those bizarre and crappy connections in the urban areas, you have a lot of potential for inductance.

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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2012, 01:30:56 AM »
India is probly 98% rural and only thing affected was thier VCR or Betamax video cassette recorders :old:

I make a point of not going to a country people are trying to get out from Flippen heck a lot of Brits run off to the US,Newzealand and Australia :rofl

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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2012, 10:07:37 AM »
This is an active year for the sun and India's power grid is probably looks like a whole house full of spiderwebs.

When you count all those bizarre and crappy connections in the urban areas, you have a lot of potential for inductance.


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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2012, 11:00:58 AM »
You don't put your power lines into the ground these days?


In some places we do.

In my neighborhood we have to have above ground lines because of how wet the earth is. ( I live across the street from a stream) That and the water table is only 10-15 below the surface.

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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2012, 12:13:46 PM »
Cap,
 You have no clue. None,zip,nada,zero.

Stay with cars cause you have no idea what your talking about.

I've been a lineman for 23 years and while there is always room to improve, dealing with storms, outages, equipment failures will always take time to accomplish.

Your assumptions are based on ignorance.

Anytime you think you can do better, run down here. I've gotta set of hooks and all the 40-60 foot poles you could imagine. Climb a few in good weather and lets see what you can accomplish. Then do it in a storm.

In my area they just trimmed trees for the first time in 12-13 years. Wires were in a lot of the trees. I have never seen anyone come and inspectect anything until after something has already happened. No preventative maintainence...
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Re: India power grid collapse 620 million left without power
« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2012, 12:33:27 PM »
In my area they just trimmed trees for the first time in 12-13 years. Wires were in a lot of the trees. I have never seen anyone come and inspectect anything until after something has already happened. No preventative maintainence...

 i've lived here in south jersey all my life, with the exception of being with my ex-wife in philly for 9 of those years.

 when i was a kid, it would seem that there were crews out every few months. they'd trim anything that was anywhere near their lines. my grand mother used to go out to them and offer them something to drink when they were near our house. they'd often take a few minutes and chat with her....

 in donig this, there was rarely if ever any power outages caused by trees interfering with power lines. THIS is why i get pissed when i see power outages over here. that's usually what's caused them. last year, i was a day without electricity, thanks to hurricane irene. she was 20 miles offshore, and i'm 55 miles inland. how the hell did that kill power in my area?
 the year before i was without power for 3 days. a few of us in the neighborhood were sharing our generators with each other to ease the effects. that was in june, and was from heavy rain. the stated reason was falling trees, 'cause they're old. well guess what? if they were TRIMMED, or removed when one of the crews noted that they were old enough to be a possible problem, then it would never have happened.

 that's what i was getting at in my original response. i admire the guys that have the balls to climb up those poles, and work near all that voltage. i know you ain't gettin me near that crap. but why did/do the power companies need to skimp on keeping their stuff maintained? they've got the money, and i'm sure there's quite a few qualified people that could use the work.
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