150 octane fuel

[titanic3]

Where is it written that the Luftwaffe birds have to be better then the Allied birds?  All I'm seeing here is if we choose to fly LW birds we won't be fastest and that's not fair.  Interesting how that works.

The LW is still not the fastest planeset in the game anyhow, 262 and 163 aside. Tempest, La-7, P51D, are the top speed monsters. and you want these planes to be faster?

[Noir]

with WEP on, and above 8K, the K4 is faster than a tempest!

I know, it surprised me as well

With wep on again, K4 is faster than a la7 above 5K, and faster than a P51 at all alts.

[Karnak]

P-51D is not faster than the Fw190D-9 at AH combat alts. It is the same speed as the Bf109K-4, but with half the WEP duration.

[titanic3]

P-51D is not faster than the Fw190D-9 at AH combat alts. It is the same speed as the Bf109K-4, but with half the WEP duration.

Yet it carries 2x 1000lb bombs and 6x HVARs.

with WEP on, and above 8K, the K4 is faster than a tempest!

I know, it surprised me as well

With wep on again, K4 is faster than a la7 above 5K, and faster than a P51 at all alts.

Right, but if any of those planes decides to dive, the K4 can't keep up with it.

[MiloMorai]

with WEP on, and above 8K, the K4 is faster than a tempest!

I know, it surprised me as well

With wep on again, K4 is faster than a la7 above 5K, and faster than a P51 at all alts.

Why should that be a surprise as the Tempest is a low/medium altitude a/c. Same for the La-7.

[Guppy35]

The LW is still not the fastest planeset in the game anyhow, 262 and 163 aside. Tempest, La-7, P51D, are the top speed monsters. and you want these planes to be faster?

No. Not one place in this thread have I asked for 150 octane fuel.  I don't think it is worth the time to do.  I tried to slow this thread before it got going as we've had this discussion a number of times before.

  I just tire of the Luftwaffe guys who think somehow they must have the highest performing birds to make the game fair for everyone.  I also tire of them being so jumpy about their cartoon Luftwaffe birds that they don't read and comprehend very well and argue with people who never suggested doing the thing the Luftwhiners are arguing against.

I get it.  You are new to this stuff, German stuff is cool and the bestest and that's the stuff you use.

[Babalonian]

*IF*, and I do mean speculatively, we got a higher octane rated fuel in the LW plane set, wouldn't that greatly effect (ie: almost half) the perk cost of the 262, 163 and 234?

[Karnak]

*IF*, and I do mean speculatively, we got a higher octane rated fuel in the LW plane set, wouldn't that greatly effect (ie: almost half) the perk cost of the 262, 163 and 234?

Why would it?  They would all still vastly out perform any piston engined aircraft.

[Babalonian]

Why would it?  They would all still vastly out perform any piston engined aircraft.

Just not so vastly anymore...  I proposed halving the perk price of them, not removing it.

[Karnak]

Just not so vastly anymore...  I proposed halving the perk price of them, not removing it.

Spitfire Mk XIV goes from 358mph to 366mph on the deck.  The change is not that dramatic.

Halving the perk prices would be a massive over reaction.  Particularly on the Me163 which wouldn't be affected by the higher boost Spitfire at all.

[Babalonian]

They would still have the advantage, but would have a harder time operating in a theater/arena with it than without it.  Think of how the 262's cost is guaged...  The higher octane fuel would increase other planes acceleration and top speed and even their top power-on dive speeds.  We all already know how great the jets are at flat turns and acceleration and how much that weighs on their current perk cost...  That's where Im getting about half from, I really do think they'll get away half as likely from a bad situation, and we all know how much slack those 262s get in this game after putting themselves in a vulnerable situation.

[Karnak]

Yeah, it'd be so much harder that the Me262 might need a reduction to 195.

More apt would be simply to increase the perk costs of the 150 boosted fighters, though that seems silly in the case of the Spitfire Mk XIV.

[Scherf]

*IF*, and I do mean speculatively, we got a higher octane rated fuel in the LW plane set, wouldn't that greatly effect (ie: almost half) the perk cost of the 262, 163 and 234?

What higher octane fuel would that be?

[Tank-Ace]

Go back and read what I wrote.  They did not use 150 fuel in the PTO.  The primary Mustang well into July 1944 was the B/C.

How is that at all relevent? If we CHANGE the P-51 to be modeled as using 150 octane fuel, well then it will be modeled as using 150 octane fuel regardless of what theater of war we're doing the special event in.

The only even POSSIBLE solution would be to make a seperate P-51 for 150 octane fuel use. Even then, I'd be opposed to it because different fuels used at diffent periods of time is a big can of worms I'd rather not open.

No one said anything about 150 fuel being the norm and I'm not asking for it.  Your argument smelled of Luftwhine and still does now.

And you, sir, reeked of incomprehension, and still do now.

[titanic3]

No. Not one place in this thread have I asked for 150 octane fuel.  I don't think it is worth the time to do.  I tried to slow this thread before it got going as we've had this discussion a number of times before.

  I just tire of the Luftwaffe guys who think somehow they must have the highest performing birds to make the game fair for everyone.  I also tire of them being so jumpy about their cartoon Luftwaffe birds that they don't read and comprehend very well and argue with people who never suggested doing the thing the Luftwhiners are arguing against.

I get it.  You are new to this stuff, German stuff is cool and the bestest and that's the stuff you use.

"Bestest"? Maybe you should check out first grade again.

The top prop planes in this game are mostly Allied planes already, only two Axis prop planes comes close to match their speed (K4 and D9, you can also argue the 152 but not at the typical MA alt). No  Luftwaffe guy is whining about it. However, when people are asking for these already top prop planes to be even FASTER and climb BETTER, then we have a problem. You already have some of the fastest planes in the game, yet you want more? ("you" meaning everyone who is asking for 150oct, not you - Guppy - the guy who thinks bestest is a word)

IIRC, at sea level:

Tempest
La-7
190D9
P51D
109K4

Are the fastest prop planes in descending order. Add 150oct and almost every single LW American and RAF planes becomes a pick-and-run plane. Can you imagine how ridiculously easy it would be to BnZ in a P47 and rack up 10 kills with that ammo load?

TL;DR Some of the fastest planes in the game are already Allied and only a handful of Axis pilots actually complains about it. No one really cares about that right now. So why on earth do the Allied planes need to have 150oct? They already have no problem running and chasing down Axis planes, why on earth would you need to make them faster?