Plane Gunners

[Tracerfi]

I wish that Bomber,Attack planes,etc with gunners were able to work on the ground as in real life

[Karnak]

I wish that Bomber,Attack planes,etc with gunners were able to work on the ground as in real life

This was specifically removed as people were launching B-17Gs to use as light AA batteries.

[Tracerfi]

This was specifically removed as people were launching B-17Gs to use as light AA batteries.

i heard a story that a guy on a aircraft carrier used a SBD bombers tail gunner to shoot a betty as it was trying to crash into there CV

[Tracerfi]

and if there is no AA it would help i think just a thought

[Karnak]

i heard a story that a guy on a aircraft carrier used a SBD bombers tail gunner to shoot a betty as it was trying to crash into there CV

Given the AA fire coming from a CV I am quite skeptical that the SBD's tailgun would make the difference.

[Tracerfi]

Given the AA fire coming from a CV I am quite skeptical that the SBD's tailgun would make the difference.

still its realistic the F2.B Has that feature so i think it should be readded

[Karnak]

still its realistic the F2.B Has that feature so i think it should be readded

It is not at all realistic for gunners to run to their parked bombers to man their guns when their field is being strafed.  I have no idea why you would think that would be realistic.

[Melvin]

Given the AA fire coming from a CV I am quite skeptical that the SBD's tailgun would make the difference.

I can't remember if it was Carrier Admiral by J.J Clark or The Big E by Edward P. Stafford, but one of these books told of deck crewmen manning rear guns during attacks.

If I recall correctly, at least one man was lost when the A/C he was in was blown overboard by a near miss. (I could be way off on that one as it's been a few years since I've read either.)

 

[Ack-Ack]

still its realistic the F2.B Has that feature so i think it should be readded

When the Japanese raided Clark Field in December of 1941, did any of the B-17 crews run out to their planes to man their guns on the flight line to fight off the Japanese attackers?  No, they did not.

As Karnak noted, it was removed for a reason.  If you were alive when WB was around and played it, you'd know why.

ack-ack

[fuzeman]

<snip> I have no idea why you would think that would be realistic.

His signature line:
I reject reality and substitute my own

[tunnelrat]

When the Japanese raided Clark Field in December of 1941, did any of the B-17 crews run out to their planes to man their guns on the flight line to fight off the Japanese attackers?  No, they did not.

As Karnak noted, it was removed for a reason.  If you were alive when WB was around and played it, you'd know why.

ack-ack

Go read up on the guy who manned the Dauntless rear gun on the USS Enterprise to thwart a Betty attack.... (or just watch it on Battle 360)

You can't argue this from a "didn't happen" stand point, as there is nothing preventing it from happening (like 262's strafing paratroopers mid air)

You can argue it from a gameplay standpoint and that is all.

[Karnak]

Go read up on the guy who manned the Dauntless rear gun on the USS Enterprise to thwart a Betty attack.... (or just watch it on Battle 360)

You can't argue this from a "didn't happen" stand point, as there is nothing preventing it from happening (like 262's strafing paratroopers mid air)

You can argue it from a gameplay standpoint and that is all.

It doesn't matter.  It is such a minor, rare circumstance that in no way justifies the rampant, and it was rampant, upping of B-17s and B-26s to use as fragile light AA batteries.

[Tracerfi]

It doesn't matter.  It is such a minor, rare circumstance that in no way justifies the rampant, and it was rampant, upping of B-17s and B-26s to use as fragile light AA batteries.

if a field has no AA guns it could work

[Karnak]

if a field has no AA guns it could work

All it would be is a great way to get your aircrew killed.  There is a reason aircrew take shelter when the field is under attack rather than run to their aircraft's turrets.

[Tracerfi]

All it would be is a great way to get your aircrew killed.  There is a reason aircrew take shelter when the field is under attack rather than run to their aircraft's turrets.

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